Comments: God and Man at Krispy Kreme

W.O.W. I am a Christian, and found myself forgetting to breathe after 1/2 the story.

Posted by Cass at May 9, 2006 10:36 AM

Nice Job.

Posted by WB at May 9, 2006 10:42 AM


Posted by Bill at May 9, 2006 12:26 PM

That was powerful! Thanks for posting this.

Posted by Nephos at May 9, 2006 01:21 PM

Wow, that professor is really cruel and stupid. I'd never want to take a class with him. I think I'd complain to the university and see if I could get him reprimanded for cruel practices. He hurts everyone in his class and all for no point. If he wanted to give everyone a donut, he could. He set up the stupid rule that kept him from giving the donuts, and then he put into place and even stupider one that let him. I think he must be insane.

Posted by Surel at May 10, 2006 06:05 PM

Steve displayed the sin of pride. He's not Christ-like

The teacher was cruel, offering temptation that he could freely give, and providing only suffering to both Steve and the class. He is not Christ-like, but is the serpent from Genesis.

Christ only asks for your belief - but he does not seek to guilt his followers into believing in him. This "parable" is clearly the devil's work, and has deluded the good people of this board.

Posted by Adrian Karel at May 10, 2006 06:13 PM

Nobody ever said Steve was Christ, Adrian. It was a parable attempting to explain the magnitude of Christ's sacrifice to those who were not able to apprecaite it. You've missed the point entirely.

Interestingly enough, Adrian's probably fake name and proven fake "" email address seems to indicate that if their is a snake in our midst, it is he.

Posted by Confederate Yankee at May 10, 2006 08:02 PM

Story reposted here; take a look. Good points made.

Posted by Gordon Schumacher at May 10, 2006 10:04 PM

I wrote this in reposne to Gordon, and dropped a copy after reading his addendum on his site:

And yet Gordon, YOU wrote that addendum, putting your words in Professor Christianson's mouth, didn't you? It's quite easy to mock others when you control them, twisting their words and deeds, misrepresenting them in a way that makes YOU feel superior as you belittle them. I think someone did that in the Bible. He wasn't one of the good guys.

It's a small, shallow cut you make, Gordon, but not once of significance. Mostly I just feel sad for you, that you really think you can have whatever you want without paying for it. There is always a price paid by someone, for everything. Those that say their isn't a price, that strings aren't attached, might just be trying to sell you something you can't afford.

Posted by Confederate Yankee at May 10, 2006 10:30 PM

Actually, Yankee, Gordon did not write the response; this should be clear when you notice that the URL he provided as his own is different from the URL he sends you to.

There is one thing that bothers me deeply about the story, and it's something that bothers me that I see in too much of modern Christianity. It's summed up in the last line:

"Wouldn't it be foolisn and ungrateful to leave it lying on the desk?"

Now, part of the story, a personification of the redemption, suffering undertaken as a labor of love to give a gift, that's fine. As a Wiccan and a shaman, I understand and appreciate that theme deeply.

But is that the end of the story? That it is good to labor and to sacrifice to do good for others? No... the final bit of the story is "people who aren't like us are foolish and ungrateful."

And that's what bothers me.

Because, you see, many people see no "doughnut". It's not an obvious, visible thing to them. And they have only the word of people long dead to trust that suffering occurred to bring about the gift.

And what is the response of many Christians? Well... to call them ungrateful and foolish.

Rhetorically, I'd ask if that's what Jesus commanded, but I imagine we both know the answer... he commanded his followers to love one another enough to die horribly for them, even if they'd be met with anger, and hostility.

Now, which is easier... to die horribly, while facing anger and hostility, or to develop some empathy, and try to understand others? Surely, a Christian who loves others, as Jesus commanded, would also exert the effort to understand how others might see the message, yes?

And yet, that effort is too-often not expended; I imagine a great many Christians see non-Christians exactly as the story described them: as foolish and ungrateful.

Posted by John Palmer at May 11, 2006 12:58 PM