Comments: Rapper "Fat Joe" speaks to national student conference

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The "bitches and ho's" these days are the young members of the Left that think it wise to extol the virtues of any one thing or person that is somehow "subversive". And while I am indeed a Left-leaning 20-something myself, I have taken great issue with these exact double standards, and further with the glorfication of figures that are, by anyone's standards, less than glorious "spokespeople". Hate and ignorance is hate an ignorance, and I'm tired of people making exuses for it, regardless of it's agent. And you are, unfortunately, absolutely correct: on the Left, we are willing to tolerate that which we say is intolerable if it comes from a certain "kind" of source. It's one of the biggest problems with Liberal ideology in contemporary American society, and while it may appear small on the surface, pervades much of Liberal "groupthink". And while I cannot say with any honesty that I am any "less a Liberal" now than when a bit younger, I am, with each passing day, more disheartened with little tidbits like this. Thanks for posting this.

Posted by Jaime Anne Earnest at July 13, 2006 02:52 PM

Good post - your comparison to someone saying "moms should stay at home" is apt. Just look at how Rick Senatorum has been absolutely demonized by the MSM. And btw, I believe Santorum talks too much on occasion.

Posted by AJ Lynch at July 13, 2006 04:40 PM

I cannot say with any honesty that I am any "less a Liberal" now than when a bit younger, I am, with each passing day, more disheartened with little tidbits like this.

JAE is only saying that becuase she is a ho of the first order.

But seriously Felix. Can't we say what we want to say without propping up the old straw man. "I can only imagine what would happen if a conservtive said that."

The fact is conservatives say crap like that everyday. Sometimes they get called on it sometimes they don't. I'm with JAE that having stupid spokepeople is a bad idea - but I'll get worried about this when I hear you start to call Ann Coulter on the carpet.

Posted by jason at July 13, 2006 05:05 PM

I think there's less of the proverbial strawman here than you think: the idea seems to be more that Liberals are unafraid to confront the Ann Coulters of the world, and more than happy to egage in a discourse regarding "inflammatory remarks", with conservatives of all stripes, but yet we are too guilty of not only supporting this kind of gross misconduct, but shying away from confronting it *because of its source". Calling Ann Coulter, a white, educated, wealthy conservative on her crap is easy. Calling a "minority" rapper on it isn't so much.
We're beginning to lack the courage of our convictions.

Posted by Jaime Anne Earnest at July 13, 2006 05:51 PM

Jason: Just as hard as it may have been to believe when I agreed w/you in the past, Jaime is correct in her last comment.

BTW, when have you seen us here at Colossus use Ann Coulter as a source for anything?

Posted by Hube at July 13, 2006 06:06 PM

You point out that we are not doing the kind of "self-policing" we should be doing (and I agree). Not to excuse our lack of it, but, I'm saying that the lack of inter-group policing is not a liberal phenom.

Sure, it is easy for me to jump on Coulter's case, when she says that the 9/11 widows are "grief whores" but if her nutcase views our Republican outliers, why should I have to ?

Why does she get book contracts and talk show spots if her brand of hate is not representative of Republicans in general?

Also, there is a matter of scale. Some 2nd tier rapper is given the same level of scrutinty as a leader of the conservative movement. Why is that?

Posted by jason at July 13, 2006 06:12 PM


We cross posted. It is true that you don't promote Coulter. Thank you for that.

Posted by jason at July 13, 2006 06:14 PM

I find it a shame that Coulter is considered a "leader" in the conservative realm. I do not like her "tactics," such that they are. However, it is my view that conservatives are much more willing to denounce her excesses than liberals are with their "leaders."

But I think Felix's overall point regards the higher ed. realm, where conservatives are indeed the "oppressed" (for lack of a better term) POV.

Posted by Hube at July 13, 2006 06:21 PM

it is my view that conservatives are much more willing to denounce her excesses than liberals are with their "leaders."

There we have an honest disagreement. Serious self policing on both sides would seem to be the prescription.

Posted by jason at July 13, 2006 06:25 PM

Conservatism is indeed endangered in academia. And while I myself hold liberal to moderate views on most things, one of my more developed convictions is that of the necessity of open, free, and varied discourse. To equate conservatism with "closed-mindedness" is a common fallacy. It is "different-mindedness" than liberalism, certainly. But all minds, particularaly the developing ones of young adults in a university, need to develop the idea to think critically in order to be of any real use. And an environment that does not welcome intellectual freedom and discourse free from coercion is a worthless environment in which to attempt to garner an education, liberal or not.

Posted by Jaime Anne Earnest at July 13, 2006 07:09 PM

I agree with Jaime. As a student at Temple, I found several of my politics classes filled with those who believed conservative ideas shouldn't be given any time in class. Frankly, it bugged the crap out of me and, believe it or not, I often found myself taking contrarian viewpoints to some of their hyped up BS.

Posted by Mike M. at July 13, 2006 08:14 PM

I've quoted Ann Coulter on my site on limited occasions, but that's only when she says something especially well. I disliked her before she became as well known as she is now. (I used to read Human Events which carried her column at the time, and I believe still does, but I would skip her column when I came to it, and I'm usually the sort who figures if I paid for something I should read all of it.)

The best description I've read of her was (I believe) on where someone essentially said, "Her schtick is good for her personally, but bad for conservatives overall."

Posted by Paul Smith at July 14, 2006 09:05 AM

This post has become a forum to bash Coulter. I will defend her. She is laugh out loud funny and is right about the 4 widows. They are crass opportunists who have hid behind their tragic losses.

Posted by AJ Lynch at July 14, 2006 12:07 PM

I think she's funny too but she takes the low road. She goes for the most outrageous statement as a way of getting attention. Really her writing, while witty, is just repackaging of what others have said. The only difference is the tone.

Posted by Duffy at July 14, 2006 01:34 PM

"Y'all are going to throw me out, but I think they're bitches and hos."

I'm confused. Isn't that supposed to be a compliment? I usually warm up to a guy right away when he starts talkin' like that. (NOT)

Posted by Anna Venger at July 14, 2006 01:55 PM