Comments: But if it was annihilated, where'd they go then??

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Israel, by incorporating a policy of strangling the Palestinians, especially Gazans, is it any wonder what this misery and desperation will produce?

I point out to you again, Hube, that Hamas, call them what you will, were the democratically elected government of Palestine.

You tell me: Why did not Israel, the US and the EU honor this decision of the Palestinian people? They had no right not to!

Oh I know, Hamas are terrorists. As if some Israelis are not.

Oh I know, Hamas continued to refuse to recognize the State of Israel. Does this mean that Hamas would not have negotiated with Israel anyway? That possibility was never tested. Instead the strategy was to create chaos in Palestine by creating misery and desperation.

It worked! Now we have a divided Palestine waging a civil war, and we have restored Abbas to power by fiat, so to speak.

So much for democracy, you heartless, ignorant creeps!!!

Posted by Perry Hood at June 20, 2007 10:52 AM

When democracy results in the election of a group of killers dedicated to the destruction of a whole country and people, it is indeed imperative to refuse any legitimation of them.

So much for your a**holish moral depravity, you pathetic piece of scum. Go litter on someone else's blog.

Posted by Hube at June 20, 2007 11:58 AM

"When democracy results in the election of a group of killers dedicated to the destruction of a whole country and people, it is indeed imperative to refuse any legitimation of them." -- Hube

Israel and Israeli supporters have always put on their pre-conditions to peace, so here is one more example articulated by you, Hube.

What absolute moral principle are you invoking to justify your support of this behavior, I wonder?

It is exactly this attitude, like yours Hube, on both sides, that has interfered with movements toward peace in this region for many decades. Extremists do not make peace, they make war!!!

I agree that members of Hamas are terrorists, so are some Israelis, so we get nowhere trading the accusation of "terrorists" back and forth.

My point: The duly elected leaders in Palestine should have been tested, not strangled and summarily kicked out of power in the wake of the ensuing despair and desperation.

Whether you realize it or not, Hube, you are an extremist, as extreme on the other side as you accuse Hamas to be on their side.

The only hope for peace is that moderate forces on both side somehow prevail. Abbas might be that leader on the Palestinian side, ironically. I am not so sure about Olmert. We'll see, as the Lebanese in the south continue to struggle from their Olmert induced hell, as in Northern Israel as well from the rockets of Hezbollah.

That said, the terrible means used by the Israelis, the EU and the US do not for one second justify this end. But we must move on from where we are, musn't we? What about the suffering Palestinians, suffering at our hands? Who cares about them. Certainly not you, Hube, you ignorant, heartless creep! Sorry, but that is the way I view your attitude. You have not yet gotten past your bias; in fact, you do not even appear to be working at it! Think about it, Hube, instead of coming back with your knee-jerk demonizations, again.

Posted by Perry Hood at June 20, 2007 12:30 PM

"Israel and Israeli supporters have always put on their pre-conditions to peace, ...."

I meant to say "peace negotiations".

These preconditions have been impediments to negotiations; instead they should have been part of the negotiations themselves.

Posted by Perry Hood at June 20, 2007 12:44 PM

Perry: When it comes down to a people that wants to annihilate another just to inhabit their land and because of who they are vs. another who merely want to live and be left alone, I take the side of the latter -- and you can call me an "extremist" all you wish.

In the meantime, you can live with your siding w/the former. It speaks volumes about you -- much more than I ever could utter. At every turn "it's the Israelis fault" with you. Case in point: "as the Lebanese in the south continue to struggle from their Olmert induced hell..."

If a pre-condition to peace is a simple request to actually be recognized and to renounce violence, then gee, you "got" me. These are SO unreasonable.

Just do me a favor, scum: Go to hell and comment elsewhere. I wish to debate reasonable people. People who view Hamas as "legitimate", equate Israelis with them, and blame Israel for every Palestinian ill do not qualify as reasonable.

Posted by Hube at June 20, 2007 01:02 PM

""as the Lebanese in the south continue to struggle from their Olmert induced hell..."" -- Hube misquoting Perry

Hube, at least be honorable enough to provide the entire quote, which was: "...as the Lebanese in the south continue to struggle from their Olmert induced hell, as in Northern Israel as well from the rockets of Hezbollah."

You see, I am trying to view the dispute from both sides, which you obviously refuse to do. The operative word here is "trying"! You're not!!!

In the eyes of some Palestinians, Israel is not a legitimate state, as Israel was forced upon them by the West. I can understand this view.

In the eyes of some Israelis, the Palestinians are no more than a bunch of terrorist thugs. I can understand this view.

These are by definition extremists, because they have set up insurmountable barriers to peace negotiations. You, Hube, are one of these extremist folks, to your great dishonor, in my view.

How you can sit there at your screen and not feel heartfelt sadness for the suffering meted out to these same Palestinians by these same Western interests is beyond my ability to comprehend.

I believe you know better.

I feel the same for the victims of the suicide bombers, and for the victims of the bombers too.

I honestly don't know what else to say to you, Hube, so I won't even attempt, except to say: Peace!

Posted by Perry Hood at June 20, 2007 02:00 PM

I honestly don't know what else to say to you, Hube, so I won't even attempt, except to say: Peace!

Thank God and hallelujah.

Posted by Hube at June 20, 2007 02:04 PM