Comments: This about explains it

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Once again, Hube, there is a civil war going on in Palestine, centered in Gaza at the moment, instigated by the stranglehold imposed by Israel and the West (EU + US) in response to a democratically elected Hamas duly and fairly elected to power. This move has wrought misery and desperation on these people. Is it any wonder that atrocities are occurring?

Hube, every time you post on this subject expressing your pro-Israel bias, I will come on and remind you of the roots of this current problem, roots which you cannot deny because they are verifiable facts.

Outside forces had no right whatsoever to impose such tyranny on these mostly innocent people. Should anyone be surprised? I'm not, because this sort of control/force from the outside has been imposed on the Palestinians since WWI days. This is/has been cruel and unjust punishment, punishment which has bred hatred and extreme behaviors, unfortunately for the Palestinians themselves AND for the Israelis as well.

This is not the road to peace, rather it is the road to more violence, despair and desperation, unless some unforeseen, positive quirk intervenes with the appointed Abbas government. I am hoping now for that quirk to materialize.

Posted by Perry Hood at June 20, 2007 10:07 PM

Hube, every time you post on this subject expressing your pro-Israel bias

You're damn right I have a pro-Israel bias. Y'see, I favor democracy over theocracy, rationality over irrationality, and life over death.

You, OTOH Perry, are a repugnant moral relativist who ignores facts inconvenient to his OWN personal biases, and is such a "fan" of the underdog he forgets who the REAL underdog was in this situation. Oh, but THEY actually fought back -- and won.

You'd probably chastise the Warsaw Ghetto Jews if they were successful, Perry.

I will come on and remind you of the roots of this current problem, roots which you cannot deny because they are verifiable facts.

Oh, is that right? Don't count on it, chump. You do not have free reign here. Don't even assume such. Get your own blog for that, scumbag.

Posted by Hube at June 21, 2007 08:22 AM

"Oh, is that right? Don't count on it, chump. You do not have free reign here. Don't even assume such. Get your own blog for that, scumbag."

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, biased or not, Hube. But your attitude toward dissent is deplorable, even unamerican, as well demonstrated by your threats and your labels. You tyrants cannot deal effectively with dissent; instead you lose your temper and get vicious and controlling. Hopefully you will grow up, eventually, the sooner the better, as talent and intelligence go astray just now!

Posted by Perry Hood at June 21, 2007 09:04 AM

My "attitude" toward "dissent" would be a lot more amiable if you'd friggin' look in the mirror once in a while and realize how YOU chastise and belittle others for their opinions ("lack of knowledge," etc. etc. etc.).

Maybe it's b/c you're so consumed with the self-righteousness of victimhood that you fail to realize this. So be it. But all your protestations do at this point is make me chuckle.

And remember -- you don't like it, stay the f*** away.

Posted by Hube at June 21, 2007 09:09 AM

"there is a civil war going on in Palestine, centered in Gaza at the moment, instigated by the stranglehold imposed by Israel and the West..."

No, try instigated by the Hamas thugs who won an election on a push-Israel-into-the-sea platform, over Fatah's negotiate-Israel-into-the-sea platform. Israel's main contribution was in withdrawing from Gaza and dragging their own settlers out kicking and screaming. In other words, they gave the Pallies enough rope with which to hang themselves.

Posted by G Rex at June 22, 2007 03:42 PM

"No, try instigated by the Hamas thugs who won an election on a push-Israel-into-the-sea platform, over Fatah's negotiate-Israel-into-the-sea platform." -- G Rex

I think your perception is not correct, G Rex.

Here, read this: http://www.freemuslims.org/news/article.php?article=1255

Here is one quote from an Hamas candidate: "The Hamas election platform includes a declaration of intent to "eliminate the occupation," but does not mention the eradication of Israel."

If I were an Israeli diplomat, I would see here an opening for negotiations, wouldn't you?

No, instead, the Israelis, the US, and the EU opted for strangling the Palestinians by withholding collections that belong to the Palestinians, and by invoking an embargo, creating the environment for chaos and civil war. That is exactly what happened.

PS: G Rex, have you ever asked yourself how you would behave were you a Palestinian?

Posted by Perry Hood at June 22, 2007 06:39 PM

"The Hamas election platform includes a declaration of intent to "eliminate the occupation," but does not mention the eradication of Israel."

That sounds fine, Perry, until you remember that Hamas' view is that all of Israel is occupied Palestine, and not merely the West Bank and Gaza. That's why the maps in their children's textbooks depict only one state, and it ain't called Israel.

Posted by G Rex at June 25, 2007 11:52 AM

Per:

Read "The Haj" by Leon Uris. It's a 23-year-old novel and all, but it's historical fiction. The nature of the issues are very well researched, and you'll find that the Israelis are actually in the right. It's not so much that they're giving the Palestinians shit as it is that they're not taking the Palestinians' shit.

I'm neutral on the issue. I really don't know what to make of it right now... but it seems to me that you know even less than ME on the subject.

Actually, you'll probably not read this comment, since it goes pretty far back in the archives... so Hube, should he bring that up again, just paraphrase it for me, would you?

Posted by Mat Marshall at June 30, 2007 03:38 PM