Comments: Pink and Grey

Spot on! I read this essay right after it was posted; I shared it widely then, and I will do so again. Thanks for the refresher.

You do good work--keep it up!

Posted by Susan at October 23, 2007 02:03 PM

Not to rain on a parade, but it has little to do with who is displaced. It has to do with the space the displaced have. The evacuees in San Diego aren't trapped in the stadium, but rather are in the parking lot. Being in a bad spot isn't improved when you're piled on top of another person in the same bad spot. While the gourmet buffett is nice, getting to a quiet spot where you can be alone with your emotions and decompress is a tad more important to your outlook and ability to interact with people. Since everyone else has that opportunity as well, there is a compounding positive impact going on in San Diego that was denied to the residents of New Orleans.

Posted by Joe at October 23, 2007 03:22 PM

Joe, that's nonsense. Other shelters here in SD are packed to capacity, and there is no hue and cry. The locals are doing things stoically, helping each other out. I won't compare the citizenry of NOLA and SD, I'd just say we handled it better, FWIW

Posted by Frank G at October 23, 2007 03:33 PM

also FWIW - via Qualcomm just sent out a press release - please, no more donations, they have all they need. Apparently the locals have responded too well. This, tho' tragic, was a good test-run for a big quake response, and will be studied endlessly - how do you evacuate over 3-400,000 people? I think we did well, and learned from the Cedar fire

Posted by Frank G at October 23, 2007 03:39 PM

The biggest disappointment about Katrina was how politicized it was. According to all objective counts the evacuation was an historical success. The National Guard and Coast Guard succeeded in the largest evacuation in American history. It's just too bad that the city itself wasn't prepared. Remember all those buses?

Posted by Capitalist Infidel at October 23, 2007 04:09 PM

So, who is geeting shot and which gang is in charge?

Maybe the governer should authorize 80 million from Congress' emergency vote fund?

Posted by FES at October 23, 2007 04:19 PM

Frank, at those other shelters are the residents able to go outside, or are they stuck inside packed to capacity? Also, what's the status of running water, HVAC and trash collection. If there was no escape even for a brief time from the disaster shelters how surly would whatever tribe become after a short time? Add into the mix that there is no running water or electricity for cooling and is the mood improved?

Posted by Joe at October 23, 2007 04:42 PM

unfortunately for your meme, Joe, nobody here has been held at gunpoint against their will, so I can't compare your theoretical NO against reality SD. They have actually allowed people to breathe, walk outside, and leave if they wish. I guess your theory MUST be correct, with ALL due respect.

Posted by Frank G at October 23, 2007 05:24 PM

There have been over 350,000 homes evacuated which translates into 700,000 to 1 million people and all I'm hearing and reading is good reports. It is tragic, but even in tragedy, the people of San Diego and North County are pulling together and helping each other. These are not people who expect their government to do everything for them and for the nanny to make it all better with a snap of the fingers.

Friends of mine lost everything, a coworker of my daughter-in-law has taken in 20 people and 13 dogs. Our first home on the outskirts of Rancho Bernardo on the edge of Poway is gone and so are the homes of old neighbors and friends.

Most people in So. California are earthquake prepared with extra medicine, a get-a-way bag packed, an evac plan in place.

So far, where we are has been safe but last night we began to see flames on the hill opposite from where we live, so we went and gassed up all 3 vehicles and began to make a list of things we would want to get out if we had to evac quickly. And we talked about what our best options would be. Nowhere in our planning did we consider what the government would do to help us. That is the difference between here and NOLA.

Posted by Sara at October 23, 2007 05:51 PM

I'd just say we handled it better

As soon as the cannibalism starts you'll be singing a different tune!

Posted by Purple Avenger at October 23, 2007 07:45 PM

At one point today there were more volunteers at the stadium than evacuees. Says something about the character of the town, eh?

Come to think of it, San Diego's one of the largest military and retired military communities in the country. That would be our "Volunteer" military. Not concluding anything 'bout that. Just saying...

Posted by dwight at October 23, 2007 09:45 PM

Joe, for how much ever better the conditions are in SD right now then there were in NO during Katrina, do you think those conditions came about through magic? Happenstance?

The local and state governments made and implemented emergency plans and so did the citizens.

It's not magic, it's people taking responsibility and planning for the what-if events of life and then following through.

Posted by Cindi at October 24, 2007 02:52 AM

Is there any looting going on in SD? Anyone shooting at firemen? Are the cops walking off the job? Are there San Diego cops looting?

Running water, electricity and other creature comforts help lower the stress levels at the shelters.

They're camping in the parking lot, Joe. They're not in the Stadium. And they seem grateful that it's there for them. In NOLA they had 3 days warning to get the hell out of town and they (both citizens and local government) didn't do it. In SD, they had no such warning. They're just making the best of a bad situation.

Posted by Pablo at October 24, 2007 04:04 AM

Joe, I hated to do it, but I deleted your comment because of profanity. Please do not use that here.

Posted by Confederate Yankee at October 24, 2007 05:32 AM

indeed, PA, LOL

Posted by Frank G at October 24, 2007 06:41 AM

In New Orleans, there were many individuals who were part of the Tribe. They helped one another and shared resources. The greatest evacuation this country has seen was not shown. The National Guard were headquartered by the Superdome. They rationed food and water. But the news media didn't report on any of that. Instead, they put on the air unconfirmed reports of murders and rapes.

When Katrina hit, I was on the Mississippi Gulf Coast so I missed most of the reports about New Orleans and after things settled down here, I read about what went on in New Orleans. It seems to me the biggest failure was the local and state government response. And it is not just the lack of implementing emergency plans and the school buses and other things. The biggest failure was the mayor of New Orleans being too scared to go and talk to the people in the Supedome. Instead, he was on the radio crying.

It was Blanco trying to place the blame on FEMA and Bush. She did do some things correctly, like getting the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries in place to rescue people. But it seems there was a lot of the blame game going on.

All I had for news during the days after Katrina was a battery powered radio that I only turned on when the Emergency Management officials were on. I heard encouragement from my mayor, my governor, and all other officials. This is what kept the despair and numbness down. There was no blame. There was just the message that though 69,000 homes were destroyed, businesses washed away, and loved ones unaccounted for, we were all in this together and we would get through together. And we have been getting through together.

It seems the same is going on in California. Government officials and citizens are working together to make sure all members of the Tribe are cared for.

Posted by shira at October 24, 2007 11:12 PM