Comments: Breaking: Collective gun right my ass!

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Boo-yah, Grandma!

One comment: could the "narrow" have referred to the fact is was a "narrow" right to gun ownership. That is, it didn't overturn the ban on machine guns for example. I agree with your larger point that liberal victories are never "narrow," but in this case there is another plausible way of reading that, that it might apply to the decision, not to the vote.

Posted by Paul Smith Jr at June 26, 2008 11:17 AM

I see your point Paul, but I doubt it.

Posted by Hube at June 26, 2008 11:19 AM

I doubt it too, but I'm in a charitable mood right now.

Posted by Paul Smith at June 26, 2008 11:54 AM

Paul, I always considered the ban on full auto assault rifles and such to be justified by the "well-regulated" in the 2nd Amendment.

Posted by G Rex at June 26, 2008 03:46 PM

You're biting your own tail there. If you believe that the 2nd amendment right is 'collective' -which I read your comment to imply- then the right to keep and bear arms only attaches if you are in a militia. The purpose of a militia is to fight military style battles. In this day and age, that kinda necessitates automatic weapons. So if the right is collective, and you belong to a militia, then the right logically extends and even gives preference to automatic weapons over semi-automatic or handguns. Neither of those have the military utility of an automatic or selective fire weapon.

But now it's moot anyway, Thanks to God and Antonin Scalia.

Seems to me they struck a fair balance; now we'll have to see how all the subsidiary law shakes out.

Posted by JR at June 26, 2008 11:35 PM

JR (assuming that was directed at me) I believe firmly that gun ownership is an individual right, and I define militia to mean every able-bodied American male (and some women) who could be formed into units in a time of crisis, much like Britain's Home Guard of WWII.

As for fully automatic weapons, when I was in the Army ('85-'90) they were phasing out the full auto M16A1 in favor of the M16A2, which only fires a 3-round burst. The doctrine shift was towards more accurate fire, rather than the indiscriminate "spray and pray" method that was prevalent in Vietnam. Infantry squads were also issued the M249 SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon) which fires the same cartridge as the M16, for those cases where full on rock and roll suppressive fire is needed. Sure, full auto is fun as hell, but it's mostly for terrorists and gang bangers who can't shoot straight and don't care if they hit civilians.

Posted by G Rex at June 27, 2008 11:28 AM

OK, sorry I misinterpreted what you wrote. And I agree wholeheartedly about full auto. 3-5 round bursts as my DI used to say rather loudly and emphatically.

Posted by JR at June 27, 2008 04:09 PM

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