Comments: Honest Apology

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Posted by Cary at July 8, 2008 12:02 PM

"Pitman" forgot one:

I'm sorry so many modern Americans feel that an injustice done against the U.S. justifies abdicating our national honor; America once abhorred torture and fought and died to create a world that respected the rights of the accused. We even insisted the Nazis be granted the right of Habeus Corpus and fair, open trials at Nuremberg. We were a land of courage and fortitude. But no more. Now a crime committed by SOME Arabs is enough to justify the torture and murder of ANY Arab (Iranians are Persian, BTW, not Arab). 3000 died on 9/11, killed by Saudi Arabians. 100,000+ have been killed in Iraq. For what?

And I apologize that any American would be so craven and ignorant as to say "the last seven times we took up arms" were in DEFENSE of Muslims. The last seven times we took up arms were:

• The Balkan War — Mixed ethnicities, including both Muslims and Catholics.
• Restoring Democracy in Haiti — Catholics
• Somalia — Yup, we saved us some Sunni Muslims!
• Persian Gulf War — We KILLED Muslims to DEFEND oil fields
• Operation El Dorado Canyon — we BOMBED Muslims to avenge Germans
• Grenada — We rescued U.S. medical students — some of whom may have, in fact, been Muslim.
• Assault on Iran to rescue hostages — Again, we ATTACKED the Muslims to SAVE the Christians

That's the last seven. Two of them were specifically in defense of Muslims. Three of them were AGAINST Muslims. Before that, we were in Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand, Cuba, Taiwan, Korea and WWII.

Barleymash

Posted by Barleymash at July 8, 2008 02:02 PM

Whatever our faults, I still rather live here than the flea infested shithole Muslims call home.Barleymash, you should move to Canada, your Hate America schtick is getting old. Obama will fuck this country up for centuries.............

Posted by billybudd at July 8, 2008 02:55 PM

Dude... with all due respect, the "you hate America" retort is what is old. There are very specific points made here, and all you have to say is "you hate America"?!?! Come on, you're better than that!

Look we've been at this ongoing discourse for a long time down, and we've always been respectful of each other. Why is that stopping now? The last time I asked you to explain your position, you ignored me. Shall I try again? Okay, here goes...

Don't you think it's deplorable that someone would falsely pose as a US Serviceman to further a political agenda?

I look forward to reading what you think.

Posted by Cary at July 8, 2008 05:59 PM

Right or wrong, true or not, I wish he had said it or someone did because it is true. As far as the barleymush clown, he came on here and made an ass of himself before. He can kiss my ass. If Obama gets elected they say taxes in NY will hit the 60% mark. Good luck with that. But then again taxes will be the least of our concerns.

Posted by Billy Budd at July 8, 2008 06:39 PM

You didn't answer my question, nor did you address any of the points made. Regardless of any personal problem you may have with the writer, he does make valid points here. He is also a personal friend of mine, to whom I recommended to your blog for reasonable discourse. Yes, I do remember something he said unknowingly hit an personal nerve with you once before, and it was addressed sensitively by both parties. Is it possible we can all move on and focus on the discussion at hand? Barleymash is incredibly well informed, thoughtful, and passionate about America. I consider him a mentor in political discourse.

And who is this "they" who say Obama will raise taxes by 60%? Have you read Obama's actual economic plan? It's right on the internet, so there is no need to rely on "they".

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

Posted by Cary at July 8, 2008 07:19 PM

Hey, the clown's back.

Most right-wingers like yourself have a very hard time accepting reality. That's because when you look at simple hard facts, you lose. Every single time. Your guys trash the economy and our guys clean it up. Your guys get us into wars you're not ready to fight and our guys get us out of them. Your guys rant and roar about "The War On Terror!" but our guy is the only one to actually bring a World Trade Center bomber to justice. (How's that Dead Or Alive hunt for Osama going?) And so because the light of reality showcases your impotence, you resort to the "you hate America!" bullshit.

Me, I'm a REAL American. That means I understand what Democracy is. Democracy is our OBLIGATION to make sure America is the best possible nation it can be. Not America Right Or Wrong. America Right Because I Work My Ass Off to MAKE it Right. But you're a 28-percenter. One of the few idiots left who can't see what an incredible disaster the Bush administration has been for our country and the whole world. And that McCain is going to be even worse.He's just as stupid as Bush (He graduated 894th out of a class of 899) and twice as arrogant.

As George Carlin said, "If you think the average person is stupid, by definition, half the people are stupider than he is!" Dude, you're not even average. If you support Bush or McCain, you're at only 28 percent.

Posted by Barleymash at July 8, 2008 08:19 PM

This piece of shit blog censored by answer. Get used to it because this is what we will get tenfold soon. Read my answer at the bottom of the post.

Posted by Billy Budd at July 8, 2008 08:39 PM

Billybud,

Firstly, while you may not be Republican, you are Right Wing, as the very definition of such is conservative. That said, I'm glad you have realized how horrible our current leader is. I know you had reservations about casting your vote for him, but I never really felt you "got it" - I'm happy to see the shift.

But since you're so incredibly unhappy with the choices, shall I assume from your posted answer that you're not going to vote at all then? While we rarely agree, your entire outlook is very different now than when we first communicated four years ago, at the outcome of the last Presidential election. It makes me sad.

Posted by Cary at July 9, 2008 12:21 AM

Weird. Your own blog censors your comments? How will this get ten times worse under Obama? It's the conservatives who've been tapping our phones and e-mails, bankrupting citizens over "indecent language" and throwing people in lock-up over their political positions. In fact, McCain's people just threw a LIBRARIAN out of a public meeting because she had a McCain = Bush sign. Censorship is the purview of your guys. Not mine.

I'm sorry if I keep mis-labeling you a Republican. But your rhetoric is directly out of the GOP talking points memo. if it walks like a duck…

So, Billy Budd, it's always a joy dropping in and responding to your conservative rants. You might wonder why I bother. That's simple. I know I'll never convince any hard-core conservatives that they should open their minds. But there are lots of undecideds out there who do have open minds. And when I see a long sheaf of uninformed, misleading, unAmerican crap like the letter from the fictitious "Pitman," I think it's my duty as a loyal American to make sure those lies don't sit unchallenged. Now, anyone drawn to read the "Pitman" letter will also have a chance to see some truth and perhaps make a decision that actualy helps America, instead of helping to drag it further down into the racist, abusive pit the Bushies have dug for it over the last 7 years.

Barleymash

Posted by at July 9, 2008 06:46 AM

Bush Derangement Syndrome runs rampant through the democratic party and the destruction of this great country is necessary as long as the President is pulled down with it. Censorship is a liberal doctrine, God out our lives, guns out of our hands, hate speech laws, treating minorites like bad little children, the fairness doctrine to censor talk radio, and the lack of tolerance in universities. I could go on and on. You come here because there is no one left around you to rant at. Most liberals are not confident enough to accept diversity in a natural form. They force it upon us, then only associate with like minded individuals. Obama threw out some towel heads because they looked bad on camera in the backgroud in Michigan...........They all suck.

Posted by Billy Budd at July 9, 2008 07:06 AM

Like I said, I won't change your mind, and that's fine. But anyone tallying facts vs invective clearly sees that "Pitman" is an empty, malicious, deceptive, racist rant. And your responses are mindless parroting of Fox News/Karl Rove TPs. Everything I've said, on the other hand, can be verified. Facts are on my side. Reality is my ally because it terrifies conservatives.

Posted by at July 9, 2008 07:24 AM