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Hmm, what about V'ger representing the "we create the seeds of our own destruction" meme?

(For those of you who actually had dates with girls in high school, V'ger was the villain in the 1st Star Trek movie, and turned out to be the NASA space probe Voyager 6, returning from across the galaxy to find its creator.)

Posted by G Rex at December 26, 2009 06:18 PM

Hmmm ... is that a liberal philosophy, Rex?

(BTW, there is much speculation among geeks that the planet Voyager 6 came upon was the Borg homeworld. That planet *was* on the other side of the galaxy, after all -- Delta Quadrant.)

Posted by Hube at December 26, 2009 06:23 PM

I am not so sure about the Federation being democratic. We are given no examples of that that I can remember. And all the decisions we SEE being made are made by military officers, with no clear evidence of any civilian power structures.

Posted by Donalbain at December 27, 2009 03:04 AM

Not so, Donalbain. There are several examples off the top of my head where we see the Federation president ("Trek VI," and during the attempted coup in DS9) not to mention instances of the Federation Charter, which is much like our Constitution (see TNG's "The Drumhead," for one).

Also, check out here. Looks and sounds pretty darn democratic to me.

Posted by Hube at December 27, 2009 08:30 AM

At the beginning of the Voyage Home the Klingon Ambassador calls Vulcans "the intellectual puppets of the federation" not much different from the language employed at the time to criticize neo-conservatives who were critical of the Soviet Union.

http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0078408/quotes

Klingon Ambassador: Vulcans are well known as the intellectual puppets of this Federation!
Ambassador Sarek: Your vessel did destroy USS Grissom, your men did kill Kirk's son. Do you deny these events?
Klingon Ambassador: We deny nothing. We have the right to preserve our race.
Ambassador Sarek: You have the right to commit murder?

Frankly, much of this dialogue strikes me as Palestinians justifying terrorism.

(Though the save the whales plot of TVH, was quite liberal.)

Posted by soccer dad at December 30, 2009 09:55 AM

David: Agreed that the overall plot of TVH was an enviro-nut's wet dream. And GREAT example you noted.

FWIW, I read in the Trek Encyclopedia that Gene Roddenberry actually considered much (or all) of Trek IV and V as "apocryphal." I'm not sure why regarding IV; but V, OTOH, I can see -- Spock's half-brother, and the Enterprise traveling to the center of the galaxy with standard warp drive??

Posted by Hube at December 30, 2009 10:02 AM

The commercials for STV:TFF were great. They had "the gravity of your situation," "I know the ship like the back of my hand," and third funny line. I remember thinking, this will pretty good because clearly those aren't the only good lines. Alas, they were the only good lines. (And the "back of my hand" comment was stupid. Scotty does know the ship that well; he'd never walk into a bulkhead. That was cheap comedy at the expense of characterization.) But what's more fantastic about going to the center of the galaxy than going to its edge ("Where no man has gone before.")?

There was a stupid incident in STIV:TVH. Scotty starts talking into the mouse. When he's told that the computer doesn't take voice commands, he starts typing like a demon. Huh? He's not familiar with manual input devices; his progress on the keyboard should have been halting. The fast typing was funny, but hardly realistic. (Inventing transparent aluminum was sort of like Scotty's transporter equation in the latest movie.)

Still your general point is correct: Star Trek may be PC (a lot more so in TNG than in other incarnations) but it hardly made a point of excusing evil as the NRO article charges.

Posted by soccer dad at December 30, 2009 02:32 PM

Love the image of Kirk.

There were inconsistencies in Star Trek, but I'm still a huge fan. Not so much with Star Wars, I never could get into that one.

Posted by Debbie at December 30, 2009 04:02 PM