Comments: On Tyranny, And The Illusions Of Hope

That Patrick Henry person sounds like some right-wing extremist. I hope the Southern Poverty Law Center condemns him so good people won't listen to him.

Posted by Old Rebel at March 23, 2010 09:02 AM

There is no way to get proper revenge for this.
Executive office betrayed us. Congress betrayed us. Justice betrays us by inaction. They sit and do nothing. I am sickened. There is no punishment.
There are no consequences. The liars rule the day. Wealthy men and women of low intelligence run our country. Corruption and power lust seem to eclipse all else from Washington to its sister city, Hollywood. The characters in both cities too much the same. This country deserves what it gets, I guess. I had thought better of it.

Posted by Odins Acolyte at March 23, 2010 09:37 AM

Patrick Henry said it all. He even new the outcome. There is no getting even. There is only a resolve to understand and accept what will need to be done, why, and what our out will be on the other side of the event horizon.

Posted by s4f at March 23, 2010 11:14 AM

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquilty of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

Samuel Adams

Posted by had enough at March 23, 2010 11:27 AM

You know who else sounds like a right wing extremist? Mike Vanderboegh & his Sipsey Street Irregulars.

Whose side are you on in the Window War?

Posted by scalefree at March 23, 2010 04:25 PM

I'll invite you to look at that first 2 lines and note the comity, the civility and the decorum that Ptrick Henry displayed towards those with whom he did not agree.

Perhaps if the right were to try to adopt those tactics, instead of smear and burn at every corner, you would have gotten more of what you wanted in the bill.... (err...sorry) law.

Patrick Henry realized (as did David Frum on Sunday) that one must have a dialogue in order to reach accord. If you all cannot do that, then you're guilty of trying to do what you've cursed my side for supposedly doing.

I am not going to argue HR 3590 with you - we have little common ground and besides, it is now the law of the land. I am asking you to consider the lack of civility that has been present in the arguments leading up to it's passage. Perhaps, again, more dialogue and less ad hominem attacks would have yielded a bill more to your liking. Remember this as we pursue financial and immigration reform.

I'll also remind you that Patrick would laugh at you for invoking his name while living under the Constitution, a document that he hated, feared and worked against. unless of course, you're advocating for the overthrow of the government.

Posted by CJ at March 23, 2010 06:02 PM

CJ's post above hits the nail on the head! Well said, Hear! Hear!

Posted by Dude at March 23, 2010 09:38 PM

CJ, please spare us the calls for civility and dialogue as if the left possessed moral superiority in that regard. I didn't -- and still don't -- see very much retraint by the left in terms of ad hominem attacks on G.W. Bush and Republicans in general.

It is completely disingenuous on the one hand to give the louder voices on the left a pass as they castigate the right on a personal level when it suits them, and then on the other hand call for civility in dialogue when the right fires back with a tad too much fervor for your liking. Lions and tigers and ... conservatives, oh my!

It's much akin to witnessing the playground bully get comfortable beating on all the other kids, but when one kid steps up and punches him square in the nose, then the bully starts to demand, "Can we talk? Can't we all just get along?"

Uh-huh. Right.

Posted by AtticusNC at March 24, 2010 06:08 AM

Atticus, the difference between the right & the left is we stop short of throwing actual bricks through your windows.

Posted by scalefree at March 24, 2010 06:55 AM

Actually, scalefree, the left enjoys throwing bricks through their own windows and then the blames the right for it.

Posted by Confederate Yankee at March 24, 2010 08:12 AM

You've got one kid, that everybody at the time totally disavowed. So far there's at least 5 separate, coordinated attacks in 4 days with no admission on the Right that it even happened let alone a single statement condemning it. One of these things is not like the others.

Posted by scalefree at March 24, 2010 01:13 PM

Right Scalefree, calling for armed revolt and the slaughter of Congress is exactly the same as setting up camp down the road from Bush's place in Crawford.

This equivocating is embarassing. I feel sorry for you that you're so apparently bereft of logic that you cannot see the difference between dissent and calls for violence, and that, further, you seem to be able to justify those calls for criminal acts with "we're being enslaved" - as you drive off to your job in your car and drink your after-dinner drink and watch your big screen TV. Yes! SLAVERY!

You're an embarassment to the Fathers.

Posted by CJ at March 24, 2010 01:22 PM

Severed gas line found at home of Perriello brother

Wanna take bets on whch side ends up being responsible for this one? You've cultivated a culture that condones political violence. It's time you were held accountable for it.

Posted by scalefree at March 24, 2010 01:51 PM

"You've cultivated a culture that condones political violence. It's time you were held accountable for it."

This coming from someone who voted for a guy who started his political career in the home of two domestic terrorists.

Posted by anon at March 24, 2010 01:57 PM

You've got allies who right now are committing political violence in support of your cause. Plotting to blow up members of Congress (and their families), explicitly threatening the lives of their children, vandalizing their offices - and that's just what they've already tried.

How is it remotely possible that everybody on the Right isn't jumping out of their skins in their haste to distance themselves from these inexcusable tactics? What kind of people are you?

Posted by scalefree at March 24, 2010 02:20 PM

As noted before, it is just as likely that angry progressives threw bricks threw those windows (and considering their track record and angry at this legislation, that is probably more likely), so my advice to my "allies" (whoever you think they are) is denounce this violence right after Nancy Pelosi does.

Some on the right have condoned these isolated incidents, but the fact of the matter is that we have limited time and have far bigger fish to fry, you know, like a radical government usurping control over 1/6th of the economy, against the will of the people.

As for the gas line incident, that is worth of commentary, and I started writing an entry on that as soon as I heard the news.

Will be up later this afternoon.

Posted by Confederate Yankee at March 24, 2010 02:43 PM

We know (loosely) the people behind the so-called Window War; they're proud of it, they've taken credit for it. These are not tricksy Liberals smashing their own windows & trying to blame it on someone else. These are hadrcore Right-wing Second Amendment activists. On April 19 they'll be attending an Open Carry March at Ft. Hood, VA.

These are your allies.

Posted by scalefree at March 24, 2010 03:07 PM

Get a clue. The guy who called for windows to be smashed did so the morning after the crimes had been committed. Check the posting time on the blog entry you cited.

As for their involvement in the open-carry movement open carry, that is a complete non sequitur, and utterly irrelevant to to the discussion at hand.

And for the record, they are having their completely-legal open carry meeting at a place called Fort Hunt in Virgina, not a military base of any sort, and certainly not Fort Hood.


Posted by Confederate Yankee at March 24, 2010 03:36 PM

Wrong again, Smedley. Mike Vanderboegh actually wrote his call to political violence as a piece of fiction in Feb. 2009, more than a year ago.

The point of the Open Carry rally isn't intended as a charge against them, just to establish the group's Right wing credentials. Given your defensiveness on the subject, I'll take that as an admission of alliance with these people who advocate & commit political violence.

I will concede I got the name wrong of the Fort where the rally will happen, so you can tell your buds at the corner bar you got something right today.

Posted by scalefree at March 24, 2010 04:34 PM

Before you cackle about how I'm wrong & therefore everything I say is wrong times infinity, Vanderboegh actually says he originally wrote his Window War manifesto in 1999 or 2000. He first posted it to his blog in Feb 2009. I'm sure this disproves everything I've ever said or will say, somehow or other.

Posted by scalefree at March 24, 2010 04:57 PM