Comments: Politically-correct ROE Seeks to Turn Afghanistan into Beirut

Marines, as well as other military personel are expendable for the chickenhawk button pushers of both parties who fancy themselves warriors strutting on the world tv networks. The last time any american was defending American soil and not killing for empire was 1860 to 1865 and Jefferson Davis was president. Marines should be standing on American soil, and no where else. Put and end to the welfare/warfare state and return to liberty. That solves problems like being defenseless in another country.

Posted by ranger at May 21, 2010 01:48 PM

This cannot be true and if it is; I would disobey that order. When I got home I would hunt down that weenie who made the order.

Posted by Odins Acolyte at May 21, 2010 04:07 PM

Shades of 1968-1969. Although I was in the Air Force, I saw the ROE's come through that limited free fire areas, limited weapon status (loaded, unloaded, round chambered, etc.) based on where field actions were located. Most of us who pulled base perimeter guard duty became very compentent at quickly (and silently) ejecting that chambered round when the Guard Captain made his rounds. You always had enough notice as the Sgt. that accompanied him would make enough noise for a full flight. I couldn't understand the logic of standing guard with an unloaded weapon. Didn't make sense then, doesn't now.

As my TI was want to intone - grab your left ear with your right hand ....

Posted by Rubber_Ducky at May 21, 2010 04:29 PM

The problem has been around since Biblical times, remember the bricks without straw? If we are going to put our military in harm's way the least we can do is give them the tools to do the job, define what the job is and then leave them alone to do it.
The consequences are terrible when Congress is micro-managing the civilian sector and horrific when the military is the victim.

Posted by NevadaDailySteve at May 21, 2010 05:39 PM

Son mentioned, after first tour in Iraq, that when in the watchtowers on one base they were supposed to have the chamber clear. Didn't understand it then, still don't.

Posted by Firehand at May 21, 2010 08:43 PM

During the Baader-Meinhof/Red Army Faction days in Germany, I was living in one of the bases that the gang had threatened to attack, because of all the dependents there. It was considered serious enough to post "armed" guards all around the kaserne (base) for several weeks, if I recall correctly.

I do recall that none of the troopers had a loaded weapon. They were completely empty. I suppose the troopers were supposed to use their rifles as clubs if an attack were to occur.

So this sort of nonsense is not new.

Posted by iconoclast at May 22, 2010 10:40 AM

What is strange is that I live next to one of the largest air bases in the US. The guards there are chambered and ready to fire. In fact, if you get on the flight line after dark, it is shot first then identify who you used to be. Why are the rules more lax in the US than abroad?

Posted by David at May 22, 2010 04:37 PM

I remember well standing perimeter guard duty at night, at Da Nang AB in 1970. Those were the longest 12 hour shifts I ever endured. Two of us in a tower 20' up. We were always safed and loaded, and no one ever checked on us except by radio. We each had an Ammo can full of loaded clips, plus one in the rifle. This was right after TET, so everyone was tense.

Our Kill zone was a 100' cleared strip with three coils of Razor wire on each side. It was lit with just about enough light to see by. Not fun.

Posted by Marc at May 23, 2010 03:57 PM