Comments: Turkish Terrorist Autopsies Suggest They Were Shot By Their Own Men

>; two had been shot by the terrorists,

I've read nothing about any IDF soldier being shot, can you please provide the link to that information? The link you provided says nothing about them being shot.

Posted by Fred at June 6, 2010 10:16 AM

I haven't heard about any IDF members shot. Of course, our sources of information, by the mainstream media, is limited. If IDF member(s) were shot, I doubt if it will be declassified.

Posted by OhioRiver at June 6, 2010 10:26 AM

The terrorist-loving leftist media didn't bother to mention that IDF soldiers were shot by the turkish lynch mob, nor that they had guns that the captain saw thrown over the side? Why am I not surprised?

When St.-Sgt. S. fast-roped down from an air force Black Hawk helicopter onto the Mavi Marmara Turkish passenger ship on Monday morning, he did not expect to be landing in what he called “a battlefield” and facing off against a group of “murderous mercenaries.”

The 15th and last naval commando from Flotilla 13 (the Shayetet) to rappel down onto the ship from the helicopter, S. said on Thursday that he was immediately attacked by what the IDF has called “the mob of mercenaries” aboard the vessel, just like the soldiers who had boarded just before him.

Looking to his side, he saw three of his commanders lying wounded – one with a gunshot wound to the stomach and another with a gunshot wound to the knee. A third was lying unconscious; his skull was fractured by a devastating blow with a metal bar.

As the next in the chain of command, S., who has been in the Shayetet for three and a half years, immediately took charge.

He pushed the wounded soldiers up against the wall of the upper deck and created a perimeter of soldiers around them to begin treating their wounds, he said. He then arranged his men to form a second perimeter, and pulled out his 9 mm. Glock pistol to stave off the charging attackers and to protect his wounded comrades.

Of course, you will no doubt find the terrorists more credible than the soldiers, but that says far more about you than it does anyone else.

Posted by Confederate Yankee at June 6, 2010 10:34 AM

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Posted by David at June 6, 2010 11:50 AM


In one important way, whether or not the Hamas/Turkish/jihadist fighters had firearms is unimportant. Knives and clubs in the hands of a violent and prepared gang are just as dangerous. Shooting people attacking you with deadly weapons of any sort is a reasonable response.

It is just a pity more were not shot.

Posted by iconoclast at June 6, 2010 01:52 PM

Israel has so far suppressed most of the evidence and has only selectively released video footage that paints the flotilla activists in the worst light possible without providing any real context.

It is entirely possible that it was the IDF that fired first and the flotilla activists who were defending themselves.

Posted by AJB at June 6, 2010 02:31 PM

It's also entirely possible that Iran is just a peace loving country, AJB, but I suspect the odds are about the same for that as they are for the IDF having shot those poor, innocent, re-bar/pipe-welding/linch-minded/gun-toting peace ativists in cold blood, real small.

Posted by emdfl at June 6, 2010 03:06 PM
It is entirely possible that it was the IDF that fired first and the flotilla activists who were defending themselves. Posted by AJB at June 6, 2010 02:31 PM

By not stopping and diverting to the Israeli port, the ship and its passengers exposed themselves to attack. Watching the video of the IDF commandos be swarmed and beaten as they rappelled down to the ship is more than sufficient evidence to any rational mind that the IDF failed to use sufficient force.

Posted by iconoclast at June 6, 2010 06:04 PM

actually its not possible. its in fact impossible.

the turks wanted a fight.

the other ships were boarded without incident.

the moment the israelis touched the deck of the turk ship they were violently set upon.

the muslims on that boat were violent barbarian goblins who got what they asked for and started the violence.

go ahead give the benefit of the doubt to goblins, but that is like trying to pretend a goblin isnt a goblin, a snake isnt a snake, a hyena isnt a hyena.....

Posted by rumcrook¾ at June 6, 2010 06:41 PM

AJB's just upset that there weren't more dead Jews.

Posted by Rob Crawford at June 6, 2010 08:45 PM

That figures. After watching some of the video I think the Isralis were justified in using deadly force if they indeed did.

Posted by ron at June 7, 2010 12:41 AM

I'm not going to defend this piece but it shows where the other side's head is ...

Mr Elshayyal, a reporter for the Arab channel al-Jazeera, was standing to one side of the ship and had a view of the front and back of the vessel when the fighting started. By his account, soldiers fired down on the protesters from the helicopters before an Israeli soldier had even set foot on the ship. A man next to him was shot through the top of his head, dying instantly.
"What I saw were shots being fired from the helicopter above and moments later from below – from the ships," Mr Elshayyal said. "As far as I am concerned, it's a lie to say they only started shooting on deck."
At least two other eyewitnesses saw soldiers firing from above the ships before they landed on the Marmara's deck. It is possible that this is what prompted the fierce resistance to the soldiers when they dropped down. Several passengers recount how organisers urged their peers to stop hitting the soldiers, aware of how it would harm their claim to be peaceful protesters.

Posted by Neo at June 7, 2010 10:39 AM

The fact of this matter and every other matter dealing with muslims is that they lie. They lie even when it isn't needed. They lie like a kid caught with his hand in the candy jar. It is a fine art with muslims as is the type of confrontation that they put on for us here. They are well used to their friends in the mfm watching their backs. Don't forget the Ap photo that cropped out the knife that one muslim was holding.

Posted by TimothyJ at June 7, 2010 11:11 AM
Posted by Neo at June 7, 2010 10:39 AM

oh my, if you cannot believe al-jazeera who can you believe.

Posted by iconoclastq at June 7, 2010 05:26 PM