Comments: Unsigned WaPo Op-Ed: Where are the Republicans who will reject pandering and prejudice?

Judging by TEH stoopid, I suspect the writer is E.J. Dionne.

Cordially...

Posted by Rick at August 19, 2010 01:06 PM
When al Qaeda and the Taliban kill non-Muslims, even those Muslims who disapprove of the groups as a whole find joy in the deaths of infidels.

Are you saying American Muslims found joy in 9-11? You need help.

Seriously, after that "Islam is intractably linked to violence" and your quote above, why on earth should -- in your view -- we allow any Mosques to be built anywhere in NYC, or the DC metro area? Or in the US? Or for that matter, why allow any Muslims in our communities? Think of the children!!!

Try writing a post in favor of building any new mosque anywhere in our nation while we're at war with Muslims and their religion. I'd love to see you try and wrap your brain around that exercise.

Posted by Jim at August 19, 2010 03:51 PM

Or for that matter, why allow any Muslims in our communities?

Hmm. What's your point supposed to be again? I cannot think of a single good reason to allow any Muslims into the country.

But by all means, remind me of what the reasons are.

Posted by flenser at August 19, 2010 07:39 PM

Well said flenser! This controversy has nothing to do with proximity to Ground Zero, you guys are just bigots. I admire your honesty. I'd love to hear your plans for the Muslims who are already American citizens. Don't be shy.

Posted by Jim at August 19, 2010 08:40 PM

"Well said flenser! This controversy has nothing to do with proximity to Ground Zero, you guys are just bigots. I admire your honesty. I'd love to hear your plans for the Muslims who are already American citizens. Don't be shy."

I would give them a choice: they can be a Muslim, or they can be an American citizen. The tenets of Islam are so far removed from the philosophy this country was founded on that it would be impossible for a sincere Muslim to be an American in philosophical outlook; likewise, it would be impossible for a sincere American patriot to honestly embrace Islam.

For example, consider the American tenet of separation between church and state. Then consider Islam's claim to absolute temporal authority over not only its own adherents, but over those who do not follow Islam.

In other words, someone who claims to be an American and a Muslim at the same time is lying about something. Prudence would dictate concluding that he is lying about being an American.

BTW, the same could be said of real, no-kidding Christian Dominionists (i.e., followers of Rushdoony, North, and their ilk), and I would not be uncomfortable at all with applying the same strictures to them.

Posted by Cobalt Shiva at August 20, 2010 12:04 AM

Why not put all of this under the heading of "We're just religious bigots, and we don't care about the constitution and freedom of religion"? To you, every muslim in the world is exactly equivalent. Tim McVeigh was a lapsed Christian, but somehow that doesn't mean that all Christians are terrorists.

Posted by Black Bart at August 20, 2010 03:10 AM

"Why not put all of this under the heading of "We're just religious bigots, and we don't care about the constitution and freedom of religion"? To you, every muslim in the world is exactly equivalent."

How far does "freedom of religion" go?

Does it extend to religious faiths that advocate murder? Arson? Violent overthrow of the government? Defrauding non-believers? Cheating on income taxes? Drunk driving?

Of course not. None of these are constitutionally protected activities. And you should get the precedent of Cheech v. Chong cited if you went to court to argue otherwise. (The judge should say "Bailiff, WHACK HIS PEE-PEE!")

Having established that, in fact, freedom of religion is not absolute, we can examine specific cases.

Islam claims temporal authority not only over its adherents, but over non-believers as well--i.e., that it has the authority to govern everyone in the world. That is utterly incompatible with the American constitutional law forbidding establishment of a state religion.

"Tim McVeigh was a lapsed Christian, but somehow that doesn't mean that all Christians are terrorists."

As you pointed out, Timothy McVeigh was a LAPSED Christian, which means that he wasn't a Christian. Religious adherence isn't an ethnic or racial identity; it's an ethical choice by the individual.

Posted by Cobalt Shiva at August 20, 2010 07:33 AM

The bottom line is that these terrorists would not have done the deed if they knew they would not have the hero status bestowed on them by the MAJORITY of their muslim brothers and sisters.
Islam is not compatible with all the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution. Islam is a cult, not a religion, and as such should not have the protection of the 1st. Ammendment.
Paul in Texas

Posted by Paul Kanesky at August 20, 2010 01:01 PM

This controversy has nothing to do with proximity to Ground Zero, you guys are just bigots. I admire your honesty.

That's big of you. Now, is there any chance you can show some honesty yourself and explain why you think we MUST admit Muslims into the country? You know, answer the question I already asked you and which you already ignored?

Posted by flenser at August 20, 2010 01:20 PM

Why not put all of this under the heading of "We're just religious bigots, and we don't care about the constitution and freedom of religion"?


There is no constitutional requirement that we admit Muslims (or anyone else for that matter) into the country.

Posted by flenser at August 20, 2010 01:22 PM

We are suppossed to be tolerant of something we detest? Why? Had the Aztec priests survived the destruction of their civilization would you have been tolerant of their beleifs? A religion of death is what it is. The majority Islam, worldwide, is our enemy. Recognize reality.

Posted by Odins Acolyte at August 20, 2010 01:44 PM

And Jim, I realize that reality is scarce in the rainbow-world that you and the other idiots live in, but I would suggest that you look up the you- tube videos of the muzzies dancing in the streets on September 11, 2001.
Then go back to whatever house of stupid you came from(I suspect daily kos is the location).

Posted by emdfl at August 20, 2010 09:51 PM

Does Boeing have a right to build a museum commemorating their contributions to aviation within a short walk of Ground Zero at Hiroshima?

Or is the question, should Boeing build such a museum? Would it be bigoted and racist to oppose it?

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