Comments: Add Kurt Busiek to those comics creators who don't get it

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I love how the Canadian in the comments at Avi's place is lecturing us on free speech... which, like you say is beyond laughable given how much more restricted free speech is there.

Posted by Carl at March 13, 2013 03:17 PM

The point YOU'RE missing is that Card's views verge on radical and are very far from the views of the majority whereas the views of "Waid, Marz, Busiek, or whoever" are generally accepted by most.

Posted by watson387 at March 13, 2013 03:22 PM

"Generally accepted...?" On what issues, exactly?

Card's views on gay marriage aren't out of the mainstream; however, his views on gays in general indeed are. But ... so what?? Our own president's views on various items are way out of the mainstream. Why does this make it right to dismiss Card from DC?

Posted by Hube at March 13, 2013 03:29 PM

DC doesn't want to be associated with hate. I would assume they also would fire members of the Nazis, KKK, etc.

Posted by watson387 at March 13, 2013 03:34 PM

Of course. The ever-lame "kindred spirit" argument.

But nice try. DC hired him in the first place. His "Ender's Game" is being turned into a major film. Are you seriously claiming these companies did NOT know about what he's written? And how many Nazis/KKK wrote something like this about Jews/Blacks:

The hypocrites of homosexuality are, of course, already preparing to answer these statements by accusing me of homophobia, gay-bashing, bigotry, intolerance; but nothing that I have said here -- and nothing that has been said by any of the prophets or any of the Church leaders who have dealt with this issue -- can be construed as advocating, encouraging, or even allowing harsh personal treatment of individuals who are unable to resist the temptation to have sexual relations with persons of the same sex. On the contrary, the teachings of the Lord are clear in regard to the way we must deal with sinners. Christ treated them with compassion -- as long as they confessed that their sin was a sin. -- Orson Scott Card

Maybe you can ask Pres. Obama's "spiritual mentor," Jeremiah Wright, about hate, watson. After all, the pres. sat in the man's pew for 20 years.

Posted by Hube at March 13, 2013 06:17 PM

Let's get it all straight:

1) I do NOT agree w/Card's views on homosexuals.
2) I am a libertarian more than conservative.
3) Hate speech exists on both sides of the aisle.
4) As Mark Millar noted, if Card should go, who will be next -- and for what reason?

Posted by Hube at March 13, 2013 06:36 PM

BTW, I like what Jerry Ordway wrote recently (on his blog or on Twitter ... can't recall precisely) about the whole OSC matter (and I'm paraphrasing): That it was too complicated for him to get into.

See, Jerry's smart. Like Michael Jordan once said about the his merchandise, "Hey, Republicans buy sneakers too!" Conservatives/Republicans also read comics. If you wanna take a chance and take political stands, you run the risk of pissing off a sizable portion of your fan base. I respect that Dan Slott, for example, recognizes this, but said "he couldn't live with himself" if he didn't speak out on certain issues. That's perfectly fine. But, again, he knows the risks.

Again, Mark Waid was spot-on when he recognized this fact, too. His problem is that he was making excuses for the supposed differences between Card and those on the left who say/do stupid things. Waid was also correct in that any private company can hire and fire whomever it chooses. But, again, he speciously dissected why Card could "rightfully" be axed by DC (Card's "actions" as merely opposed to speech). I seriously doubt Waid would calmly accept DC telling him "see 'ya" due to him, say, ripping Mormons, the Tea Party, anti-abortion activists, et. al.

Posted by Hube at March 13, 2013 06:47 PM

Remember that until very recently, Card's views were exactly the same as that of the Obama administration. Oddly that doesn't seem to generate the same level of vitriol for some reason.

Posted by Duffy at March 14, 2013 10:11 AM

Duff: The views are (were) the same on gay marriage. But Card has gone quite a bit further in some of his essays/articles.

Posted by Hube at March 14, 2013 10:12 AM

Hube: I hadn't realized that I thought this was confined to his opposition to same sex marriage.

Posted by Duffy at March 14, 2013 10:25 AM

"The point YOU'RE missing is that Card's views verge on radical and are very far from the views of the majority"


IOW, the exact sort of views the First Amendment was written to protect.

Posted by Gregory of Yardale at March 21, 2013 11:21 PM

Busiek and I just had a Twitter slap-fight. He stated in 2 seperate Tweets that "Hillary is a fine person." and "All the Repub candidates are d1Ck5." I responded "Carson".
BUSIEK "He compared Obamacare to slavery and people that voted for Obama to Nazis."
ME: "How did he say they were like Nazis" And "If you think Carson's a d$&@, I won't Tweet you what Hillary said about the Bush Admin and it's policies."
BUSIEK: "Here's the article -" he cited a Huff post article titled "Carson compares America to Nazi Germany" in which Carson said that Obama is a charismatic figure who people stood behind but then later questioned it and were kinda scared of him and scared to speak out.
See the difference? There's what he said, the title of the article and how it morphed what he said, then there's Busiek's take on it and what HE said Carson said. Each one is different."
Also...
BUSIEK: [Hillary quotes you send me] wouldn't change Carson.

What had been an attempt at finding out what exectly his unit of character measurement was (if Hillary was a "fine person" and Carson was what hangs between a man's legs...), had basically been snubbed out by a comment I took as solidly snarky.

We went back and forth a few times, he said nothing about Hillary would change Carson and that I was Following him of my own free will. I Unfriended him, and now we're both happy, but I still can't see how espousing political on your Twitter feed begs either 1) conversation and arguement, or 2) Nodding and smiling from others that already agree with you.

I friend and follow friends and people whose work I am interested in. I don't generally share my opinions unless someone else feels free to point out my beliefs and poop on them. I wish others would do the same.....Mr Busiek.

Eric Langston

Posted by Eric Langston at August 10, 2015 09:11 PM

Thanks for commenting Eric.

Aww ... Hillary is a fine person? How does Busiek know this, precisely?

If we wanted to play his game ("progressive") game, we could call him a racist for referring to Carson as he did.

But give me a self-made neurosurgeon over a philanderer-clinging-because-it's-politically-convenient career pol ANY day of the week.

Posted by Hube at August 11, 2015 09:16 AM

"Aww ... Hillary is a fine person? How does Busiek know this, precisely?"

Maybe like the Chinese, he read her e-mails.

Posted by SpideyTerry at August 12, 2015 03:51 AM