Comments: Yes, Orson Scott Card is a nut

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WAIT, no hold on. I recognize this because I read the original source.

Key quotes:
"No, no, it's just a silly thought experiment! I'm not serious about this! Nobody can predict the future! It's just a game. The game of Unlikely Events.
Will these things happen? Of course not. This was an experiment in fictional thinking.

But it sure sounds plausible, doesn't it? Because, like a good fiction writer, I made sure this scenario fit the facts we already have -- the way Obama already acts, the way his supporters act, and the way dictators have come to power in republics in the past."

Posted by Nate Winchester at August 16, 2013 11:08 AM

Good point. Check out my update.

Posted by Hube at August 16, 2013 11:25 AM

Read. Eh..... maybe, though it sounds more like he just accomplished what he set out to do, doesn't it?

Of course, I'm slightly biased because (for fun) I wrote a story about cyborg vampires and ninja werewolves set in the modern day and to try and make it seem as plausible as possible, I actually did research and was pulling out little "irregularities" I'd find in modern new or recent history. I do that a lot in things I write. To anyone just examining me, they might think I really believe there are wizards and fairies hiding out in today's world.

But that's just kind of the trade. A good magician convinces you that HE honestly believes he has supernatural powers. Likewise the best writers convince you that they believe their own story...

(in my opinion anyway, I'd be interested to know if any more professional authors agree)

Posted by Nate Winchester at August 16, 2013 12:27 PM

I still think he's a good writer, and miles better than many of those comics creators who have been demonizing him. I'll continue to buy his books, such as the Ender's Game series and Pastwatch, because he is one of my favorite sci-fi authors.

Posted by Carl at August 16, 2013 01:30 PM

I can't see the scenario he discusses playing out in the real world, but given the IRS scandal of recent, I don't think it's unheard of that Obama is more than willing to sideline his enemies.

Posted by Carl at August 16, 2013 01:36 PM

I mean to say, "destroy his enemies" by using things like the IRS against them.

Posted by Carl at August 16, 2013 01:37 PM

I can't see the scenario he discusses playing out in the real world,

But Carl, that's the point, to imagine a what if and sell it the best way he can. To quote Futurama: "You have to believe the impossible is merely preposterous."

Posted by Nate Winchester at August 16, 2013 02:07 PM

True. That's what the best writers do, like you said, believe in their story no matter how far-fetched it may seem.

Posted by Carl at August 16, 2013 02:27 PM

Actually, Obama did make the case a couple of years ago for something very much like what Card talked about.

Posted by Rhymes With Right at August 18, 2013 05:45 PM

Thanks for the link, Rhymes. I seem to remember reading about this in 2008, now that you've brought it up.

Posted by Carl at August 18, 2013 05:58 PM

But as noted in the Slate article:

In a July 2008 speech he used the words "civilian national security force" to describe how he'd "expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots," "double the size of the Peace Corps," and "grow our foreign service." That was five years ago, and he actually failed to do it.

Posted by Hube at August 18, 2013 08:08 PM

I remember when he proposed expanding AmeriCorps, and how all the comic strips (not just the political cartoons, I mean actual humor strips) aside from Peanuts and a few others bent over backwards to promote volunteerism and what not. It was pretty pathetic, to say the least.

I'm not surprised that this was another campaign "promise" that he broke.

Posted by Carl at August 18, 2013 08:21 PM