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Most of what you say here is the same retoric the Bush administration has been spoon feeding us since 2003.
Iraq, Iran, Pakistian, nor Afghanistan NEVER attacked the US. In fact no country has made an attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor. We were attacked by a terrorist organization which had many bases of operations in all the above mentioned countries including Saudia Arabia. Who incidently remains on the list of friendly countries, despite the fact that they too had ties to Bin Laden. One can only speculate that the reason for that is their equally strong ties to our own President and his family.
Iraq is now a quagmire, and the new #1 training ground for terrorist. There were never any PROVEN ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda.
What right has the US to demand that the rest of the world embrace democracy and Christianity? Why shouldn't the Muslim religion flourish? Or should only Christians be allowed to spread their religious beliefs? Has it ever occurred to you people that MAYBE the people of the Middle East don't WANT democracy? Why is it you think we have the right to go into their part of the world and spread OUR message, but they do not have the same right to do so here? Since we can no longer rely on the media to report the unvarnished, unbiased truth, we don't really know what these people want. For every example you can give of Iraqi's who say they want what the US has brought to their country I can give you equal reports of Iraqi's who say they want the US to go away and wish they'd never come to their country. I'm sure the truth lies somewhere in between.
When all is said and done, if the US kept our nose out of other country's business (unless they ASKED for help) and put more focus on the problems here within our own borders, we MIGHT be a better, safer, and more respected country throughout the world.
One thing is for certain, neither Iran nor N.Korea has made any indications that they have thoughts, ideas, or plans to attack the US. They have both stated their persuit of nuclear weapons is for their own use and protection. Considering Israel's treatment of Palestine, I can understand why any country in the Middle East might feel they need protection from them. As for N.Korea, the US would bode well how they deal with them, least we awaken the large bear that sleeps in their backyard. I do not believe that China will tolerate an attack on N.Korea. Which may well be why Bush & Co. are putting their focus on Iran. Either way, to attempt to deal with either country in the same manner they did Iraq, will be a fatal mistake. A mistake that will cost many many more American lives than the 1400+ that have been lost in Iraq and Afghanistan. A mistake that more than likely will bring our warmongering to our own shores. Even the Patriot Act and Homeland Security will not be able to protect us. You can mark my words on that one.

Posted by wanda at February 17, 2005 08:29 PM

Incidently, Maccabee has long been a reader and poster on my blog. He always leaves his blog address and he knows I know his email address. I am sure he assumed you would make your response in my comments since that is where the conversation started. I would have assumed that much as well.

Posted by wanda at February 17, 2005 08:33 PM

1. check the email that maccabee left here and try to use it, it will come right back to you.
I would have much preferered to send it to him in an e--mail due to the length, and I really didn't want to make it seem I was being catty by posting it.
2. I felt that my response would have taken up too much of your bandwidth, and at the least would have been broken up into at least three parts due to your limit on the space of an individual comment.

Posted by delftsman3 at February 17, 2005 08:58 PM

"What right has the US to demand that the rest of the world embrace democracy and Christianity?"

Just WHERE did I advocate that Muslims should convert to Christianity? One of the points of my little screed was that Islam doesn't compremise with other religions as Christianity and most other religions do. Christians haven't tried to force adherance to their religion since the last Crusade. Even the so called "moderate forms", in the end, preach non tolerance of other religions.

"Iraq is now a quagmire, and the new #1 training ground for terrorists."

It's such a quagmire that ordinary Iraqi citizens are starting to take action agains't the "insurgents" themselves, without resorting to even their own security forces, much less the US forces.

"Has it ever occurred to you people that MAYBE the people of the Middle East don't WANT democracy?"

Yes all people's will have a different form of democracy than ours,suited to their own culture, but I truly don't believe that any SANE person would wish to live under the yoke of a dictator willingly. The Left is fond of calling conservatives racists, but examine your statement and tell me that it isn't fundementally racist IE, "they just don't know any better and don't want anything better".

"We were attacked by a terrorist organization which had many bases of operations in all the above mentioned countries including Saudia Arabia."

Yes, and any country that knowingly and willingly harbored terrrorists are ipso facto terrorists themselves, and I WOULD include SA in that group. The point is that in taking on Iraq and Afghanistan, we were applying pressure internally to the other nations without HAVING to resort to brute force. And with the first time ever option of independant local officials being allowed to run in SA, the premise seems to be holding true.

"Considering Israel's treatment of Palestine,.."

Yeah Wanda...show me ONE instance where Israel came into the territories to bomb children in their school. Every action taken by Israel has been a response to Palistinian acts of violence, and targeted to the combatants, not civilians. If the Palestinians want a country, let them demonstrate it by stopping their acts of random violence. Israel has offered time and again things that weren't in their best interest of national security, and time after time the Palistinians have responded with suicide bombers targeting civilians. As far as sharing Jeruselem, you might as well ask the Muslims to share Mecca. IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.

"As for N.Korea, the US would bode well how they deal with them, least we awaken the large bear that sleeps in their backyard."

It's in China's best interests not to allow NoKo to start something that will pull China into it. I really believe that in this case China and the US have a common goal in maintaining the peace. China will put the brakes on NoKO, not us.

"Which may well be why Bush & Co. are putting their focus on Iran."

The nuclear genie is out of the biottle with NoKO, but it would be better that Iran doesn't join the club. There is a large segment of the Irani populace that yearns to throw over the present regime. We should nurture and aid that feeling. The revolution should come from within, not imposed from without.

The whole point of the exercise is to prevent the need for furthur military actions Wanda, not enlarge them. A dangerous game, it's true, but there were no really viable alternatives.

Posted by dekftsman3 at February 17, 2005 09:33 PM

I had to put on my tinfoil hat reading your analysis of the world and incessant insults about how we progressives don't live in the real world

then again, it was you people who said 9/11 and iraq were related and it tuirns out that every senior counterterrorsit expert said that was a stretch and it was never fully vetted

you said he had WMDs

not one iota of evidence has ever survived scrutiny beyond your talking points memos and bullshit repeats of Bush administration exagerations

you guys saaid it would cost us $12 to $30 billion at the most and we would be drawing down troops by september 2003

inbstead we are caught in a sandpit that has cost us upwards of $300 billion and the cost of twelve wounded and three dead americans a day

you said the tax cuts would creat jobs

we are STILL minus 500,000 jobs in the hole

our allies have abandoned us,

oil is $45 a barrell

over 3 million more Americans have joined the poverty list since Bush has been in power

The US lasy year ranked 42nd in the world in infant mortality, right behind Cuba

( BTW thanks for telling us the project for New American century plan for attacking everyone who has oil.)

at the end of the day, none of this combat has achieved a godamned thing but kills tens of thousands

my guess is- you have never lived outside the US. You have a high scholl education- you listen to Rush and Faux News

You bet, you're a dummbass

and you're wrong

by the way, the Netherlands has a higher standard of living than the US, higher productivity, longer life spans, less poverty and almost one tenth our crime rate- also, the typical Dutch 7th grader knows more american history than a US Senior.

What else do you want to be wrong about?

Posted by Maccabee at February 18, 2005 06:36 PM
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