Comments: On the Moral Use of Force

You are certainly more steeped in the theory of libertarianism than I am. That said, I would argue that the action in Iraq is not a pre-emptive strike against Saddam, but a continuation of a war on a particular brand of Islamic based terrorists.

A war that was started by them long before 9/11, by the way.

Posted by owlish at March 13, 2005 08:28 AM

What I find so interesting about the pacifist theories of some libertarians is that they want to treat a state the same as they would an individual. I cannot imagine a Rational Anarchist (that would be me) agreeing with such a concept. In fact, Prof de la Paz, although he deeply regrets it, does indeed fight a war against another state when forced to do so. It seems to be that some libertarians are the secular inheritors of the Quakers and are basically using Objectivism and non-initiation in ways that they were never intended.

Posted by Eric at March 15, 2005 10:56 PM

Eric, I couldn't agree more. I encountered Heinlein before Rand or "Libertarians", and so have avoided some of the wackier pacifist notions. Some "libertarians" (the Raimondo/Rockwell set, in particular) seem to think the only evil state in history is the US Central Government.

P.S. Re MuNU - I've sent an email to our domain master to ask about your invitation status. Have not heard anything back yet, but will keep you advised.

Posted by JohnL at March 15, 2005 11:31 PM

Hey John, thanks. Hmmmm, I detect a theme here among "libertarians" (which is a term I use for myself very cautiously, at best). If you encounter Heinlein first you are highly unlikely to be a pacifist. I would venture to say that pacifist libertarians (that's a contradiction about like saying democratic socielist, isn't it?) are really pacifists who have found a convenient behavior theory (Objectivism) to use to justify their pacifism.

Posted by Eric at March 16, 2005 01:08 AM

Just so you know, I had to misspell socielist (and did so again) because your anti-spam software is getting upset about finding ci*alis in the word.

Posted by Eric at March 16, 2005 01:09 AM
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