Comments: Flip-flopping Cindy Sheehan with her handler behind her

You are a friggin right wing nut job!!

Posted by Michael Moore at August 12, 2005 11:10 PM

First of all, the flip-flopping accusation leveled by Drudge has been throughly discredited.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200508100009

Second, who cares what Sheehan's sister-in-law thinks? I guess she has a better claim on knowing how Casey Sheehan may have felt than Michelle Malkin, but Cindy clearly has the support of her husband and surviving children. These are the only people that have any claim on Casey's memory.

Third, Cindy Sheehan may not be a Rosa Parks, but she's a grieving mother whose son died for our country. You should be ashamed of yourself for calling this woman crazy for simply calling the President to task for the every changing rhetoric used to justify the debacle in Iraq.

Posted by bubbs at August 12, 2005 11:45 PM

>>>"I just have one question for Cindy Sheehan -- Are you getting paid to be a moonbat, or are you just plain crazy?"


Smearing those who disagree with the Bush Administration on this war has been a very popular tactic since day one. It's no surprise.

Similiarly, even MENTIONING the names of fallen soldiers in Iraq was attacked by conservative groups. Remember this affair?

http://www.thecobraslair.com/National%20Issues10.html

>>>The country's largest owner of television stations announced yesterday that it has ordered its eight ABC affiliates not to carry tonight's "Nightline" broadcast, in which the names of hundreds of U.S. servicemen and women killed in Iraq will be read as their photographs appear on-screen.

"The action appears to be motivated by a political agenda designed to undermine the efforts of the United States in Iraq," the Baltimore County-based Sinclair Broadcast Group said in a statement announcing that it would yank the show.
Ted Koppel will read the names of all U.S. service personnel killed in Iraq. (Bob D'amico -- Abc Via AP)
"We believe ['Nightline' anchor Ted Koppel's] motivation is to focus attention solely on people who have died in the war in order to push public opinion toward the United States getting out of Iraq," Barry Faber, Sinclair vice president and general counsel, told The TV Column."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A55041-2004Apr29¬Found=true

NOW, Smearing the PARENTS of service people who have been KILLED in Bush's war is beyond the pale. I would suggest you, Michelle Malkin and the rest of the right winged media propaganda partners of this administration have your work cut out if you intend to smear ALL the relatives of Iraq War casualties who may have some criticism, because as of right now, there are 1842 DEAD, and over 40,000 wounded, ill, amputees, mentally insane and otherwise evacuated.

>>>DoD Identifies Army Casualties
The Department of Defense announced today the death of two soldiers who were supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom.
They died on Aug. 8 in Baghdad, Iraq from injuries sustained on Aug. 7, when their HMMWV was struck by two improvised explosive devices and they received small arms fire. The soldiers were assigned to the Army National Guard's 1st Battalion, 69th Infantry Regiment, 256th Brigade Combat Team, New York, N.Y.
Killed were:

Spc. Anthony N. Kalladeen, 26, of Purchase, N.Y.

Pfc. Hernando Rios, 29, of Queens, N.Y.


For further information related to this release, contact Army Public Affairs at (703) 692-2000."

Is it the intention of you, and your right winged colleagues to SMEAR members of the Kalladeen and Rios family if they DARE ask questions about the reasons for this war, and why their loved ones were sacrificed?

--Cobra

Posted by Cobra at August 12, 2005 11:49 PM

Hey... You're not permitted to question or criticize anyone opposed to effective policies to prosecute this war.... Didn't you get the memo?

I have lost any sympathy I might have had for Ms. Sheehan. I've never seen anyone exploit a tragedy in such a crass and deliberate fashion.

She's made quite a franchise out of her little adventure, even down to accepting volunteer labor and materials to remodel her house. Think she'll be paying income tax on the value received from that little contribution? Can you say LEONA HELMSLEY?

The rag tag collection of neo-Marxist America haters that rally to her cause are just DESPERATE for something to stick. This ain't it... Just wait until the next blond teenager goes missing somewhere and the press will drop ole Cindy in a heartbeat.

There is a much needed debate on truly life and death issues that confront this nation. Conducting a leftwing freak show with Michael Moore as ringmaster and Sheehan as the trained seal are just more distraction. Nothing positive to add.

Posted by Mike on Hilton Head Island at August 12, 2005 11:59 PM

bubbs... I'm not going to get in to a whole flamewar thing here, although I think this situation is ridiculous and the left is just using her as another way to undermine and cause us to lose this war (they come up with their dreamed up scandals that appear and get knocked down at a rate of 1 or 2 a week.. this is one they may be able to use a little longer because it's tough to be critical of a dead soldiers mother.. which is exactly why they've leached on to her)

Anyway, I just wanted to address your "who has a claim on Casey's memory" business... No one is saying anything about anyone's memory... But I think it's important to note that it wasn't like Bush instated a draft and snatched this kid from his mother's arms and put him in front of a firing squad. All this "Bush sending our kids" talk is ridiculously dishonest. Everyone is obviously the "child" of someone.. but these soldiers are not "kids." They are part of our volunteer military.

So anyone can "remember" him... No one is claiming rights to his memory... But he was also his own man. If you guys had your gun laws passed and banned all guns, then knives and all other weapons too... but someone strangled me with a wire from my desk lamp... should my mother go to DC or the Presidents house and demand he recall all desk lamps and install break-away wiring... or just outlaw lamps completely? I know that's a stretch but it is my choice to own a lamp, like it was Casey's to join the military.

Posted by Randy at August 12, 2005 11:59 PM

she needs to take note from beth holloway, not michael moore.

Posted by juana moreau at August 13, 2005 12:07 AM

Casey Sheehan was a grown man. He volunteered for ths mission he died on. It was his decision to be there and while I undersand his mother's grief it is not her place to question his choice.

There are other parents who have lost people, and I don't see the left caring about them. BTW, notice how this woman's supporters are not the families of soldiers, but instead are the kind of people who compare Casey Sheehan's killers to the founding fathers? I bet the terrorists are getting a kick out of this.

Posted by Terrye at August 13, 2005 12:39 AM

Mike,

Questioning someone's remarks is fair game. Engaging in ad hominem attacks such as asking if Sheehan "just plain crazy" is despicble in my opinion.

Randy,

The blog entry said, "That's the only way she can continue to insult her son's memory." It seems to me that the author is trying to lay some claim about Casey's memory.

Your next point doesn't make any sense to me. Because Casey voluntarily enlisted, his mother has no right to question the logic behind the orders that sent him to war?

Bush cited WMD as the primary reason to invade Iraq, which has been shown not to exist. Now Bush cites the global war on terror as the reason to stay the course, even though Iraq has become a hotbed for terrorism mostly because of our invasion. Sheehan is simply asking Bush for a logical reason for our continued presence.

Your final point on lamps and guns is also unclear to me. By the way, I am a gun owner so your characterization of me and my side is quite wrong.

Posted by bubbs at August 13, 2005 12:51 AM

bubbs... I'm sure the last point didn't make sense because although it was bit of a stretch it made a point that you're left unable to argue against... well you say you own a gun, so at least you aren't a Michael Moore or someone who thinks that tighter restrictions on gun ownership makes us safer (by leaving only those who break the law anyway, the ones who would continue to have guns) but that's another story...

Quickly to your WMD claim... Are you new to this game? Don't you realize all the leading Dems spent about 15 years leading up to the war making the same or stronger arguments about Saddam's WMDs.... and many supported the war until it wasn't going as smoothly as hoped and elections were around the corner... Not to mention as far as the UN was concerned there were tons unaccounted for (because we know he had and used them before) and they weren't getting unfettered access, all the while they shoot on our NFZ patrolling planes (resumtion of hostilities.) It was pretty much a world consensus that he had this stuff, it was a disagreement on how to deal with it... Now they aren't there.. I'm more worried about where they really are, and hope the CIA is rounding it up.

Now that you've successfully forced me to follow you off topic to WMDs, back to it....

I still don't see anyone claiming a right to his memory, but I'll agree to disagree... With respect to her having the right to "question the logic"... Yeah she has the right, along with everyone else. And I hate to say it this bluntly, but she doesn't have a right any more than the rest of us either. As I said before, Casey was his own man.... and she already had the chance to "question the logic" (although that is clearly not what's going on now... she's demanding the troops come home and calling Bush a killer while running with a group who largely considers her son's killers to be justified in what they do.) And when she had that chance she seemed pleased with the meeting.... all that her talking to him now would do is add to the circus her new handlers have created and score points for the left... literally, nothing else. Notice she isn't out there saying "I just have to tell him how I feel to get some closure"? She's demanding troops come home, calling Bush a killer, and running with the furthest left crowd around (again including people who justify the terrorist killings that her son was a victim of.) Not sure why I'm bothering with this becuase I know where this always goes... Just diversions and bait and switch from your side who is blind to so much... Whatever....

Posted by Randy at August 13, 2005 01:29 AM

btw.... when is the left going to start claiming that Mrs. Sheehan is a puppet of the right, used to distract from Plamegate and the evil genius Rove!?

Posted by Randy at August 13, 2005 01:32 AM

I wonder why it is that people on the left get so angry when someone is critical of this woman. Her son was a MAN who volunteered. He was no baby. He died. She needs to go home and grieve. Maybe she should do like I do and tell her children not to give theirlives over to a government that will send them to die. She is a sick sick woman. Bush already met with her. She is making a scene and is being dishonest. She has no higher right to an opinion than I do as a citizen. There are many more families of Iraq war soldiers and 911 victims. They are not doing this. Also she is an anti semite.

Posted by shari at August 13, 2005 02:34 AM

There have been people protesting outside the White House for decades. How many of them did the other presidents meet with? If Bush did meet with Mrs. Sheehan and start holding court with every ass clown that demanded audience, the liberal left would then whine and bitch that he's not doing his job. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

BTW, if Sheehan can't figure out the questions she has on her own, she will never understand. Bush has already answered her questions. It's not his place to hold her hand and make sure she understands. I still want to know why lord BJ refused to support and supply the soldiers killed and drug through the streets of the Mog, but I'm not headed to Chappaqua to find out.

Posted by EMT907 at August 13, 2005 03:08 AM

What I see is Cindy Sheehan using her son's death to get media attention. If she was just another war protester would the media care?

Her stance on the war in Iraq was anti-war before her son re-enlisted in the military, her friends that surround her are NOT your run of the mill citizens concerned about the deaths of our young men and women going to Iraq to liberate and protect us.

They are well seasoned activist, who put on their resumes as employment "Activist". She and her friends of the resistance have every right to protest, to be heard...that is what her son signed up for and re-enlisted for. Freedom!

Rosa Parks she is not, calling on T.V. cameras and commenting in front of the media is neither brave or couragous, it is an agenda.

Then there is the unbecoming behavior of those who come forward to disagree with her behavior...
The supporters of Cindy Sheehan have harrassed, threatened and left messages at their homes and work places.

In this century this time and date, we can no longer come forward with a debate, ask questions or even post information we might have to shed some light on the subject without being threatened by someone who disagrees.

peace out.

Posted by Just another opinion at August 13, 2005 08:37 AM

So, if Cindy Sheehan isn't allowed to criticize the President or this war, who is?

If Casey Sheehan and the lives of 1841 other American servicemen are expendable because they "volunteered", then by logic, so are the lives of all 138,000 serving in Iraq presently. Are you conservatives prepared to sacrifice ALL of them for a plan that the President himself can't even clarify?

Third, I would defy any of you Conservative Keyboard Captains to stand in the midst of dead National Guard and Reservist families and tell them all they don't have the right to question or criticize Bush's War plan in Iraq.

My bet is that you don't have the guts.

--Cobra

Posted by Cobra at August 13, 2005 11:32 AM

I dont know what a "conservative keyboard captain" is but here is my response. I dont care if these familes protest or disagree with Bush. But I do care that she is usign her sons death to advance a political agenda. She is mmaking a scene. And she is being dishonest. She already met with the president. Have you listend to things she has said. Congress is occupied by Israel? No one cares about her opinion. We do care about her dishonesty. Her son was a MAN who volunteered for military service. Maybe something like this war will get men and women to think about the fact that the monetary benifits of military service are not worth your life. What about what her son thought of his service. If he objected as much as she does he would have fled to canada or deserted. But he didn't. So is she honoring his memory, or just advancing her personal ideology that is long held.

Posted by shari at August 13, 2005 02:09 PM

Shari writes:

>>>I dont care if these familes protest or disagree with Bush. But I do care that she is usign her sons death to advance a political agenda. She is mmaking a scene. And she is being dishonest. She already met with the president. Have you listend to things she has said. Congress is occupied by Israel? No one cares about her opinion."

Actually, it was GEORGE W. BUSH who used Casey Sheehan's death, and the deaths of 1841 other servicemen and women to advance HIS POLITICAL AGENDA, which is the neo-con's Project for the New American Century. That's what I think you're not acknowledging.
Of course right wingers can be cavalier about the loss of SOMEBODY ELSE's family members. What are they sacrificing for this "war on terror?" Absolutely NOTHING. What intrigues me about your post, (which is made difficult to read because whole sentences are blanked out) is your statement here:

>>>" Maybe something like this war will get men and women to think about the fact that the monetary benifits of military service are not worth your life."

My opinion is that there is no shortage of people in America who wouldn't take up arms to defend this nation, or to get Al Qaeda, the group RESPONSIBLE FOR ATTACKING US ON 9/11. The problem lies when you're nation building on a false premise in Iraq, painting school buildings, and acting as beat cops on the streets of Iraqi cities in 128 degrees for no reason whatsoever, with the constant threat of being blown up everytime you get into a vehicle for pay that amounts to, in many situations, less than a Walmart door greeter's salary, then hell yeah, you might begin to have serious second thoughts about re-enlisting.
If your response is that NOBODY should sign up, then I doubt your sincerity about defending this nation. My question is to the COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF who is responsible for DEPLOYING these precious volunteers, and not WASTING their lives on unwinnable, generational wars at the behest of Oil Companies and foreign lobbyists.

Like I said, I DARE any of you right winged chicken hawks to stand in Walter Reed Hospital and tell the families of double amputees they have no right to question the wisdom of this war.

--Cobra

Posted by Cobra at August 13, 2005 02:56 PM

This was in the home town paper of Cindy Sheehan's.

Casey's parents, Cindy and Patrick, as well as their three children, have attended event after event honoring the soldier both locally and abroad, received countless letters of support and fielded questions from reporters across the country.

"That's the way our whole lives have been since April 4," Patrick said. "It's been surreal."

But none of that prepared the family for the message left on their answering machine last week, inviting them to have a face-to-face meeting with President George W. Bush at Fort Lewis near Seattle.

Surreal soon seemed like an understatement, as the Sheehans - one of 17 families who met Thursday with Bush - were whisked in a matter of days to the Army post and given the VIP treatment from the military. But as their meeting with the president approached, the family was faced with a dilemma as to what to say when faced with Casey's commander-in-chief.

"We haven't been happy with the way the war has been handled," Cindy said. "The president has changed his reasons for being over there every time a reason is proven false or an objective reached."

The 10 minutes of face time with the president could have given the family a chance to vent their frustrations or ask Bush some of the difficult questions they have been asking themselves, such as whether Casey's sacrifice would make the world a safer place.

But in the end, the family decided against such talk, deferring to how they believed Casey would have wanted them to act. In addition, Pat noted that Bush wasn't stumping for votes or trying to gain a political edge for the upcoming election.

"We have a lot of respect for the office of the president, and I have a new respect for him because he was sincere and he didn't have to take the time to meet with us," Pat said.

Sincerity was something Cindy had hoped to find in the meeting. Shortly after Casey died, Bush sent the family a form letter expressing his condolences, and Cindy said she felt it was an impersonal gesture.

"I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis," Cindy said after their meeting. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith."

She had her meeting, she had her chance...so why now?

Cobra, we so called "conservative keyboard captians" do not go to Walter Reed and protest like Code Pink...we go there to lend support to the wounded and their families, with prayers, money and by being beside them through the fight.

Code Pink on the other hand gives money to the terrorist, lawyers for ANSWER lend their skills to terrorist...

If a soldier or their family is against the war and wishes to voice their opinion that is they're right...But in the end, the family decided against such talk, deferring to how they believed Casey would have wanted them to act.

Is the true meaning of respect for a brave young man...acting the way he would have wanted.

Posted by Just another opinion at August 13, 2005 04:32 PM

COBRA plays games. SHEEHAN lies and he supports her right to lie...no PROBLEM but do not be surprised when she is called on it. COBRA then tries to attack those that challenge her lies with the WALTER REED line. COBRA your tact is transparent and your inability to see this lady's lies either show you are ignorant, stupid, or just pursuing your OWN political agenda regardless of the TRUTH...do your research buddy and quit with the games.....

Posted by JIM at August 13, 2005 05:28 PM

This fiflthy skank makes my skin crawl......its not just her simpering idiotic bleatings, or her pacculi soak stink.....Its the fact that she is the willing sock puppet of the American hating left, the left that glefully uses her sons loss for their own political gains.......Mssur. Moore has his ham sided fist way up her ass and is pulling her strings.....You leftist dolts,... lead by a mentally ill war mother......HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA Karl Rove must be behind this one...

Posted by piss on Cindy meat sack at August 13, 2005 07:31 PM

Jim,

Do you think that Cindy Sheehan is the ONLY relative of DEAD SERVICEMEN to criticize this Administration?

If you're unaware, let me point you to "Iraq Veterans Against the War":

http://www.ivaw.net/

Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) is a group of veterans who have served since September 11th, 2001 including Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom. We are committed to saving lives and ending the violence in Iraq by an immediate withdrawal of all occupying forces. We also believe that the governments that sponsored these wars are indebted to the men and women who were forced to fight them and must give their Soldiers, Marines, Sailors, and Airmen the benefits that are owed to them upon their return home."

Another Group: "Veterans Against The Iraq War"

http://www.vaiw.org/vet/index.php

Statement of Purpose:

>>>Veterans Against Iraq War is a coalition of American veterans who support our troops but oppose war with Iraq or any other nation that does not pose a clear and present danger to our people and nation.

Until and unless the current U.S. Administration provides evidence which clearly demonstrates that Iraq or any other nation poses a clear, direct and immediate danger to our country, we oppose all of this Administration's pre-emptive and unilateral military activities in Iraq. Furthermore, we cannot support any war that is initiated without a formal Declaration of War by Congress, as our Constitution requires.

Although we detested the dictatorial policies of Saddam Hussein and sympathized with the tragic plight of the Iraqi people, we opposed unilateral and pre-emptive U.S. military intervention on the grounds that it established a dangerous precedent in the conduct of international affairs, that it could easily lead to an increase of violent regional instability and the spread of much wider conflicts, that it places needless and unacceptable financial burdens on the American people, that it diverts us from addressing critical domestic priorities, and that it distracts us from our goals of tracking down and destroying international terrorists and their lairs.

Furthermore, we do not believe that the American military can or should be used as the police force of the world by any administration, Republican or Democrat. Consequently, we believe that the lives and well being of our nation's soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines should not be squandered or sacrificed for causes other than in the direct defense of our people and nation.

Finally, we believe that a doctrine of pre-emptive and unilateral U.S. military attack on Iraq or any other nation is illegal, unnecessary, counter-productive and presents a truly dire and distressing threat to our vital international interests and basic national security. As military veterans, we have a unique understanding of war and know the many hidden truths that lie behind war's easy theories and promises, as well as behind the tragic consequences that even, "victory" brings. We therefore call on all like-minded veterans and family members to endorse this statement and support us in our efforts to help avert, mitigate or stop a national tragedy and an international calamity.

We ask that you support our troops, by demanding that they be brought home from Iraq immediately. We ask that you support our nation's vital interests, by demanding that our troops should never be placed in harm's way except to meet and defeat any direct and immediate threat to our people."

Gold Star Families for Peace

http://www.gsfp.org/

There is a full list of members and supporters of relatives for troops serving in Iraq. So like I said, those who intend on trashing and smearing any people who criticize the Bush Administration and this war, you have to trash and smear IRAQ WAR VETERANS as well.

Again, I don't think you have the GUTS to do it. At least not to their FACES.

--Cobra


Posted by Cobra at August 13, 2005 08:32 PM

I note that both the Left and the Right tend to make Heroes out of not just the victims of "something" but also their families, who are empowered by their supporters with a Higher Moral Authority. Then the newly minted Demigods are free to preach and demand from persons in authority or the public in general - special rights and privileges.

And NO one has the right to question them or whoever does will be greeted with Outrage and How dare You!!! tactics.

The Bitterer they are, the better their odds of celebrity and total media deference. At the pinnacle, the Cindy Sheehans, Kristen Breitweisers, the Schindler Family - might just be in a media whore circle as prominent as the Hollywood Glitterati - in this case the Noble Victim Bitterati...

Sometimes Bitterati get lifetime careers out of it as victim spokepersons. Sometimes whole TV shows - like 100% of the time righteously bitter and pyschotic Nancy Grace. Sometimes they get stupid symbols of their celebrity grief foisted on the public. And the Right has their own stupid monuments - like the POW/MIA flag. It honors the normally nonexistent. And even when some soldier is actually a POW or truly MIA and not 99.999% certainly dead, it is something true only at very brief points in the last 30 years, and cululatively, they are a miniscule fraction of the total military population already honored by Memorial Day, Vets Day, and countless other official celebrations. And is being captured and made POW somehow more heroic and noteworthy than not surrendering? Is a stint as a POW a greater sacrifice than beining badly maimed? Where's the Maimed in Action Flag?? And, no, the dead in Vietnam whose bones were never found or those who went down on a WWII ship are not MIA. They are dead. Yet we have that stupid black flag around like a pudgy gray pony-tailed hippie - a relic of the 70's that just won't go away and may be joined soon by a railbow flag with a AIDs ribbon.

Posted by Cedarford at August 13, 2005 08:33 PM

I am sorry to hear about the loss of Cindy's son...but as I've read in some of the comments above, he CHOSE to enlist in the Army...he CHOSE to do what he was doing...and from my understanding, most of the military fighting in this war believe in what they are there for.

Suggesting to President Bush that he should encourage his daughters to enlist is an irrational statement on Mrs. Sheehans part. It was Casey's choice to enlist...whether Mrs. Sheehan encouraged him, I do not know...but it was still his choice!

My brother-in-law was killed November in Mosul...yes, we grieve his loss, but we know, without a doubt, that he believed in what he was doing, he was doing what he loved, and he was thankful to be able to fight to protect us, as well as others in the world! If we are to pull out of this war because some people don't feel we are there for the "right" reason, then all of those that have died will have died in vain!

Posted by Tonya at August 14, 2005 09:09 AM

Cobra, to inform you Cindy Sheehan is co founder of Gold star families for peace, she formed that group over a year ago.

She has been an activist against the war for a very long time, visit indymedia.org input her name and you'll understand.
She is not there to question Bush why her son died "needlessly"...but to ride her bus of "Impeachment" to have the spot light that she so much craves. She complained that she was suppose to be on the Larry King Live show, but was bumped because of Michael Jackson.

She aligned with the "Downingstreet memo" group, that focuses on impeaching the President.
Code Pink, groupie has a "Give the President the Pink slip"...she was on a moveon.org campaign ad.

She's not being used like I had said earlier, (Since then I have done some research), she is co-president along with the usual suspects.


Posted by just another opinion at August 14, 2005 09:17 AM

Just another opinion,

You can disagree with Cindy Sheehan's position. That was not what the blog post was about. This blog post was about SMEARING Cindy Sheehan, and anybody else who DARES question or criticize the Bush Administration.

Those who are so eager to see more death in Iraq, should volunteer, or take their OWN children to the recruiting offices.

I can assure you, that won't happen.

--Cobra

Posted by Cobra at August 14, 2005 10:34 AM

My anger toward Sheehan is specifically tied to her attention-seeking abuse of her son's memory.

I have no problem with honest criticism of the war and of this president. I do, however, have a problem with individuals who blatantly abuse the death of someone -- in this case, Sheehan's own son -- simply for the purpose of glory-seeking and self-aggrandizement.

Sheehan is disingenuous and dishonest in her criticism. As a citizen, she certainly has the right to criticize, but when her motives are suspect -- as they are -- she's going to catch six kinds of hell from those who would demand that she be honest and forthright about her so-called sorrow.

Sheehan's own family has asked her to stop, yet she lambasts them (insisting that she knows her son better than they do -- what mother in their right mind would say that about relative, especially close ones, if they weren't interested in a family feud?), and continues on her Quixotian quest. She remains a useful idiot of the left, who are so wrapped up in their vendetta against the right in general, and this president in particular, that they ignore any and all potential threats to this nation.

Am I 100% pleased with the engineering of this war? No. However, I do support what has been done thus far to help the people of Iraq, and support the troops and their leadership.

As for your "conservative keyboard captain" comment, I am too old to serve, and my son is too young. But if he were to decide to go, I would proudly take him to the recruiting center myself. Would I be afraid? Absolutely. I was afraid for my cousin during his tour last year. But, as I'm proud of my cousin's service, I would be proud of my son's.

My final question has been called "mean-spirited," and other things. Perhaps asking if she is crazy is a bit harsh. But I defend the first part of that question, and I'll phrase it differently for those who think I'm being snide: Ms. Sheehan, how much are you being paid by the leftist smear machine to be a disingenuous professional hand-wringer?

Posted by Michael at August 14, 2005 01:57 PM

Michael writes:

>>>As for your "conservative keyboard captain" comment, I am too old to serve, and my son is too young. But if he were to decide to go, I would proudly take him to the recruiting center myself. Would I be afraid? Absolutely. I was afraid for my cousin during his tour last year. But, as I'm proud of my cousin's service, I would be proud of my son's."

Those are at least reasonable comments. I think you grasp that calling somebody "crazy" for feeling there was no justification for their relatives being lost in the war is unwarranted.
Do I think there are some far-left whack jobs in America with their own agendas? Absolutely. But they have absolutely nothing to do with the death toll of our troops, six more of which have killed since my last post here. It is this feeling that those who support this war on the right see our servicemen as EXPENDABLE CANNON FODDER at the behest of neo-con schemers, oil barons and foreign lobbyists that disgusts me the most.
When Donald Rumsfeld gets up on the podium and states that the US military is NOT going to defeat this insurgency, but the Iraqi government will...a government that doesn't exist yet, with a real possibility of it NEVER existing, that tells me that there is a VERY GOOD CHANCE that these troops would've died in VAIN.
America doesn't control ANY SIDE of the Iraqi government squabble-- Not the Kurds, Shia or Sunnis. There's a darn good chance that if this "Constitution" gets ratified Monday, Iraqi women will lose their civil rights, and the nation will fall under Islamic fundamentalist sharia law. If the Shiite clerics have their way, there will be an even stronger bond with Iran than there is now. Of course you recall that Bush proclaim Iran a member of the "Axis of Evil."

Is THAT what Casey Sheehan died for? The "Islamic Republic of Iraq?"

Is that what you'd proudly take your son down to the recruitment office to sign up for? And if he were to die, is that what you'd gather round the fire and talk about every empty Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner for the rest of your life?

"My son died so that a secular Arab country could be transformed into a fundamentalist Shiite regime and an incubator of western hate?"

Like I said, there are many SOUND reasons to be against this war. Simply smearing mothers of dead troops will accomplish nothing but escalation from the anti-war movement, and turn moderates against you and your cause.

--Cobra

Posted by Cobra at August 14, 2005 04:36 PM

Thats my Pic you posted of Cindy Sheehan at the House of Blues. If you're going to use my photos without asking like an ass the least you could do is give me a credit. Thanks for nothing.

-Matt

Posted by Matt at August 14, 2005 07:22 PM

Matt, if you'll note just above the comments/trackback link, I did include an explicit attribution to your site.

Posted by Michael at August 14, 2005 09:16 PM

You doth protest too much, Cobra. And in case you haven't noticed, the chickenhawk argument was discredited before the war began.

If every supporter of the war was to join up, as you want them to in order to prove a point - Lord know what THAT would be - I would expect you and your anti-war brethren to also head over to Iraq to give the insurgents a hand. You don't want us to win there, so how about doing your part in making Iraq into more of a Vietnam quagmire so our troops will come home faster? That's what you want, isn't it? And since you were against the war, I trust that you were there before it began to be a human shield? Yeah.

Posted by RG at August 14, 2005 11:12 PM

And since you're so keen on defending your side's new media darling, why does YOUR opinion count so much if conservatives/Republicans "can't smear" Mrs. Sheehan?

She has the right to publicly state her case against the war (and Israel) at the top of her lungs if she wants to. We have the right to point out that her case is more about her and her political opinions than it is about her status as a "bereaved mother who lost her son in Iraq. Thus she's not worthy of our sympathy and very much worthy of our scorn.

And please go touch yourself elsewhere if you don't like it.

Posted by RG at August 14, 2005 11:26 PM

RG writes:

>>>You don't want us to win there, so how about doing your part in making Iraq into more of a Vietnam quagmire so our troops will come home faster? That's what you want, isn't it? And since you were against the war, I trust that you were there before it began to be a human shield? Yeah.'

What kind of circular logic is this? If you favor this war, please tell me what the GOALS are?
It's NOT defeating the insurgency...

>>>"Pentagon officials say handing control to the Iraqis and not defeating the insurgency is the goal in Iraq.

``The Iraqis are going to have to defeat the insurgency and it will probably be a process of years,'' said Army Lieutenant Colonel Barry Venable, a Pentagon spokesman."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aMsw6bEoQZ5I&refer=top_world_news

But that's at odds with what Bush says about the goals of the war are.

>>>"Yet some observers point to areas where the White House and Pentagon have differed in recent months.

For instance, Pentagon officials repeatedly have said that they believe the insurgency will last for many years; privately, Casey has told visiting senators that the role of the U.S. military is to "hold the line" until political and military progress allow the Iraqis themselves to combat the violence.

By forecasting a gradual drawdown in Iraq, commanders are able to demonstrate progress to the American people and boost the morale of a strained military.

By contrast, Bush has suggested that withdrawal would only follow success in defeating the insurgency. "When that mission of defeating the terrorists in Iraq is complete, our troops will come home," he said Thursday.

Even after the president's remarks, most foreign policy and military analysts believe a combination of military and political imperatives -- including next fall's midterm U.S. elections -- make troop withdrawals next year almost inevitable."

http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/12375618.htm

R.G., you can attack me for whatever you like. I'm not making this stuff up. These are direct quotes from Bush and the Pentagon. They AREN'T ON THE SAME PAGE. We cannot maintain these troops levels after next year, regardless of any "Stay the course" rhetoric. We cannot prevent the flow of weapons and foreign fighters from pouring over the borders of Iraq from Iran, Saudi Arabia and Syria because we're stretched TOO THIN, and don't have the resources to do so. We don't have security in Iraq tonight. Even the road from downtown Baghdad to the airport is NOT SECURE.
This is a quagmire. The insurgents have all the time in the world. They live there. They can blend in and be patient. If we do, as Bush claims, and "stay the course" untill the insurgency is "defeated", according to Donald Rumsfeld, the insurgency can last up to 12 years (as opposed to Dick Cheney, who says the insurgency is in it's last throes."

People can reasonably disagree over war tactics. I would PREFER that we kept our focus on AFGHANISTAN, AL QAEDA, and OSAMA...the folks who ATTACKED us on 9/11, and still haven't been dealt with. As a matter of fact, Al Zawari is apparently comfortable enough to release video tapes filmed outdoors.

--Cobra


Posted by Cobra at August 14, 2005 11:56 PM

A group of veterans being against the war has nothing to do with it. So what. The point is exploiting her sons memory for her own politial gain. It's interesting that David Duke agrees with all of her anti semetic rants. She thinks that nine eleven and iraq were dont by the government all to protect Israel. That's weird so anyone who is critical of Ms. Sheehan should SEND their children to Iraq. First of all there are NO CHILDREN fighting in Iraq. Men and women have volunteered. Casey was not tricked. After coming back from Iraq he reenlisted. He was a mechanic adn he didnt have to go into battle. He told his fellow soldiers "I go with the chief" or something to that effect. What about his wisher what about his memory. He was a man if he didnt want to fight in the war he woould not have reenlisted. Again I have two babies.Two young men. And I will never persuade them to go and enlist in the army to be owned by the government. But if they do that will be THEIR choice. I thought liberals respected personal automony. The MAN volunteered to go. She should have some respect for his decision. No one forced him to be there. REad the article on frontpagemag.

Posted by shari at August 15, 2005 02:29 AM

Cobra,
Cindy Sheehan is a public figure, she made herself one because she choose to. She uses a PR Firm hired by a Anti-war activist, her life of an anti-war activist started four months after her son was killed in action in 2004.

Sanfran cronicle article in march.
She has used her organization to get the word out to activist on the internet her words "Without the Internet our country would be a facist state".
Koskids, she has a diary of which she post her camp cindy yawners each day...to make things less boring, she started a rumor that she was going to get arrested, code Pink rep there said they didn't hear that rumor. The Left wing blogs were all a buzz.
I find it interesting that the more they let her talk, the crazier she starts to sound, like her latest Palestine rant...I won't pay taxes etc...
Why? Because she started to complain in her diary at Koskids...the Media was suppose to interview her today, they either didn't show up or ran with a different story. Not to mention she chooses which one will "treat" her right.

Next, she won't be speaking at all, only through her PR Firm.
I'll be you a donut Cobra that there is a movie deal in the mix soon.

Posted by just another opinion at August 15, 2005 08:35 AM

Just another opinion writes:

>>>Next, she won't be speaking at all, only through her PR Firm.
I'll be you a donut Cobra that there is a movie deal in the mix soon."

Are you claiming that Cindy Sheehan is the FIRST parent to lead a campaign or movement for change after the wrongful death of a child?
My concern doesn't lie with whatever Mrs. Sheehan gets in life from this point on. No compensation would be adequate.
My problem with those who bash and smear her ardently is where is their outrage over the fact that our TROOPS IN IRAQ, after two and a half years, STILL CAN'T GET PREMIUM BODY ARMOR?

>>>"WASHINGTON - For the second time since the Iraq war began, the Pentagon is struggling to replace body armor that is failing to protect U.S. troops from the most lethal attacks.
The c@ramic plates in vests worn by most personnel cannot withstand certain munitions the insurgents use. But more than a year after military officials initiated an effort to replace the armor with thicker, more resistant plates, tens of thousands of soldiers are still without the stronger protection because of delays in the Pentagon's procurement system."

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/heraldleader/news/world/12379515.htm

If the relatives of troops serving in Iraq right now WITHOUT the best body armor COMPLAIN or CRITICIZE the Administration about this, would you question their sanity? If troops WITHOUT adequate body armor are KILLED in combat, do their greiving family members have grounds to say
SOMETHING without being smeared by right wingers here?

---Cobra

Posted by Cobra at August 15, 2005 11:55 PM

Cobra writes:
Are you claiming that Cindy Sheehan is the FIRST parent to lead a campaign or movement for change after the wrongful death of a child?
My concern doesn't lie with whatever Mrs. Sheehan gets in life from this point on. No compensation would be adequate.
My problem with those who bash and smear her ardently is where is their outrage over the fact that our TROOPS IN IRAQ, after two and a half years, STILL CAN'T GET PREMIUM BODY ARMOR?

Your concern seems to keep changing Cobra to what ever the headline news of the day is.

Keep changing the subject of your outrage...

Now it's about Body Armor?

Hey isn't that Nancy Pelosi's line?

By the way Cobra, Cindy called Code Pink before the RNC convention to organize a gathering, she has been a certified member of Democracy Now Meet up groups with Howard Dean before the election. Moveon.org, ANSWER..the whose who of radical leftist groups.

Yet everyone seems to not see that background information as a factor into her motivations to Impeach the President.


Posted by Just another opinion at August 16, 2005 08:20 AM

Ok Cobra I have the guts to tell people they have no rights to question the president. Send em over. Adequate body armor? What are you idiots living in the dark ages? We didnt have adequate body armor in the Gulf War. Hell we have NEVER had an adequate body armor. You think kevlar keeps you from getting killed when a bomb goes off then I have a bridge to sell you.
Step up to the plate Cobra. You seem to think that everyone in Walter Reed is pissed off at this country. Sounds like its just you Fat ass Moore and Cindy Sheehan.

Posted by Mongoose at August 20, 2005 11:21 PM

i just wamt her to leave my son out of her rhetoric...USMC PVT NOAH L BOYE...KIA 041304. stay away from his name...his sacrifice...and his family!!!
diana boye
the proud mom!!!

Posted by diana boye at October 9, 2005 04:35 AM
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