boot camp? I don't know what to tell you. What does he have to say for himself?

Out of curiosity have you tried sitting him down and thoroughly explaining how much his life, which has only just begun, is going to severely suck if he doesn't graduate? And I mean life overall, not just life at home under mom & dad?

We are seriously thinking of boot camp.

We've had the "you can't live off of minimum wage" talks with him. Unfortunately he has this sense of entitlement that the world owes him. I'm sure he gets it from his Bio father. I mean the guy is 40 and living at home with his grandmother because he can't make ends meet. That's the part that is frustrating.

At home we used to have a Program in Jr High called "Scared Straight"

In which we were taken to the local penal institution and left in a room with numerous convicts and other ne'er-do-wells with naught but a single Prison Guard.

What fun!

Have you thought of a similar treatment, however utilizing your local County Jail? You would be surprised how many Sherriff's Office's would be more than happy to help parents who want their children to line up.

"See, boy, this is where you get to go when you don't do what your supposed too.."

Heading straight into a lifetime of working in a meat packing plant or if he's really lucky emptying trash cans in an office building, while living in a run down trailer park and maybe getting married to a junkie wife who can't stop having kids.
I'm seeing a very ugly future in store for boopie if he doesn't straighten up :/

Heading straight into a lifetime of working in a meat packing plant or if he's really lucky emptying trash cans in an office building, while living in a run down trailer park and maybe getting married to a junkie wife who can't stop having kids.

Geez dude, remind me to come straight to you when I need moral uplifting :)

hmmmm, I hate to be the pessimist of the bunch, but are you sure he's not using drugs? Sounds very familiar to what I went through in HS experimenting with things like that.....

Carmen, he might be dabbling in drugs. It wouldn't surprise me while he is at his dad's. While he is at our house he doesn't have much time to and he isn't showing any of the other tells. But it might be a good idea to get one of those home drug kits.

those home kits are worthless, seriously. Take him to the doctor and spend the $$ on a REAL test.

What Bloodsprite said about the convicts.

You have tried, he will not listen to anything you say. No matter what you say about going no where in life it sounds like he needs to hear it from a stranger who has been there, done that.

Someone that will take him downtown and show him the drug addicts, the homeless, and talk to the street cleaners.

His father has some kind of a wierd hold on him and Boopie isn't going to go staight until his father releases that hold or you find out what power his father has over him.

Do you think his father has threatened him into not telling you stuff (will harm you or Ktreva or clone) or doesn't do what his father tells him to do.

Damn, I don't know what to suggest.
The boot camp thing sounds good. Scared Straight might work, but the kids that are positively affected by it have to have *some* subconscious sense of right and wrong already, even if they don't show it.
Military school?
The boy does need a SERIOUS wake up call.

QW had a great idea. It'd be worth a shot

Are there still high school ROTC programs?

Learning disadblity? Try having Doc give prozac..
Worked for my youngest.