Comments: Mark Steyn speaks

Hmm... Paul Desmarais seems like an excellent candidate for a Nobel Humanitarian Prize.

Posted by bobthebellbuoy at February 21, 2005 12:34 AM

Mr. Steyn, the penumbulate Eurosceptic seems to be far too harsh on the decadent French and Germans. If one of the litmus tests for his argument against the "Europeans" (code for continential EU members that don't jive with his political beliefs- last time i checked, UK was part of Europe) is based upon the use of the word "FREEDOM", then i would sincerly hope you re-evaluate the creedence you give to this man.

Europe and the the United States are far closer than Steyn gives them credit for.
Look at the preamble to the NATO charter- you will see that the Atlantic treaty talks about combing nations with similar democratic and liberal values. Additionally, Mr. Steyn also fails to notice that roughly 3/4 of the EU participated in the Iraqi war in some form or another (though in most states they were greatly opposed by the population as a whole).

There is a unity between the United States and Europe that many people (such as Steyn and his ideological friends) do not wish to acknowledge it. They want to keep you thinking that the Contient is mired in Anti-Americanism and is fundamentally "ANTI FREEDOM". Neither of these beliefs are totally true and are misreadings of global politics.

Perhaps the real reason Chancellor Schroder didn't use the world "freedom" is because he didn't wish to sound like the pandering childish and simplistic demogogue President Bush does evertime he speaks.

After all-he doesn't need to win over Midwesterners in Germany.

Posted by Blackglasses at February 21, 2005 12:34 PM

Maybe Schroder does think the way you think, BG. Then again, maybe Bush and Schroder don't share the same vision. Or perhaps Schroder felt uncomfortable praising freedom when Germany had done so much to oppose the efforts of other nations to bring freedom and democracy to Iraq and hence the Middle East. The recent elections in Iraq heartened more than just Bush's heart. You can feel the stirrings now.
I think Bush has 'infected' the ME with the taste of democracy. I think, in my simplistic way, that it is a good thing to spread freedom and democracy. If Schroder does not want to risk lives and treasure doing so, he could at least offer support to those who hope that they may one day have the right to select their leaders and live in freedom from tyranny.

Posted by mikem at February 22, 2005 07:11 PM

"A People's History Of The World"

At some turning point in history,
some fuckface recognized that knowledge tends to democratize cultures and societies
so the only thing to do was monopolize and confine it to priests,
clerics and elites (the rest resigned to serve),
cuz if the rabble heard the truth they'd organize against the power,
privilege and wealth hoarded by the few- for no one else.
And did it occur to you that it's almost exactly the same today?
And so if our schools won't teach us,
we'll have to teach ourselves to analyze and understand the systems of thought-control.
And share it with each other,
never sayed by brass rings or the threat of penalty.
I'll promise you- you promise me-
not to sell each other out to murderers, to thieves...
who've manufactured our delusion that you and me participate meaningfully
in the process of running our own lives.
Yeah, you can vote however the fuck you want,
but power still calls all the shots.
And believe it or not, even if (real) democracy broke loose,
power could/would just "make the economy scream" until we vote responsibly.

Posted by GUESS WHO at February 22, 2005 07:21 PM

Right on, man. Power to (my) People.

Posted by mikem at February 22, 2005 07:56 PM

Hehe, Mikem likes Propaghandi.

Posted by Drum Roll at February 23, 2005 01:31 AM

The "Freedom" and "Democracy" rhetoric is a ruse.

Americans don't really care about the "freedom" of the middle eastern people... We sure as hell need to be there if we're going to dominate the rest of the world forever though.

God Bless America. I love you.

Long live "freedom," even if it just rhetoric.

Posted by Tyler Hunter at February 23, 2005 01:33 AM

Your off your meds Ty. And, dude, you sound stupid.

Posted by Richard Cook at February 23, 2005 11:33 AM

Schroder didn't "oppose freedom". He opposed a war built upon a flimsy pretense of WMD and Saddam Hussein being a threat to the United States. The freedom angle was played up alot more when it became evident that the United States wasn't going to tfind anything tied towards a WMD program.

Oh, and by the way...Its hard to argue someone is totally free when their country is still being occupied by a foreign power. But hey...at least they didn't elect an insane mullah this time around.

And mikem? re-read the "Guess Who" post. I don't think you'll agree with it that much...

Posted by Blackglasses at February 23, 2005 01:18 PM

Wishing for the good old days of Saddam. And of course, despite the revisionism that the nations that opposed the Coalition nations are trying to accomplish now, I well remember Saddam using WMDs. The Kurds and Iranians do also. I also remember Saddam admitting that he had them. I also remember every single "Bush Lied!" country assuring the world that he still had them, but that diplomacy could still work.
Your rewriting of history requires a short memory. That will work with those whose damaged sense of morality and self esteem cannot quite accept being tagged as anti-democratic, but it will not work with anyone else. You are on the wrong side of history, but I am sure that story will change with time. Every family in France can now trace their history back members of the Resistance.

Posted by mikem at February 23, 2005 08:39 PM