Comments: WI hunter wants open season on feral cats

Hey! That photo's from an old FrankJ caption contest!

Hey! I WON that contest! Aah, memories... :D

Posted by Tuning Spork at March 7, 2005 11:37 PM

Goodness! Don't y'all know that only the Humane Society can legally kill cats and dogs? Sheesh.

Posted by skh at March 8, 2005 09:31 AM

Psychiatrists say that many wierd murderers and other criminals can trace behavior back to animal cruelty.......I won't be surprised that a hundred years from now some idiot will try to pass a bill to make it legal to shoot homeless people.

If cats are not domesticated its the fault of people who didn't nueter or spay or be a guardian to their pet...should we shoot them?

Crazy world.

Posted by elaine at March 8, 2005 05:24 PM

The guy proposing this is a firefighter? wtf? I'm a volunteer firefighter and we rescue cats and and such. I guess he's to lazy to climb the ladder and would rather shoot them out of the tree.

I think someone watched Police Academy too many times.

Posted by baldgit at March 9, 2005 11:08 AM

that is just fucking sick. Anyone who shoots cats should be shot themselves.

Posted by epirecookie at March 9, 2005 04:58 PM

a.) So what was your caption, Sporko?
b.) New Zealand has a guy famous wearing a hat he made from a feral cat. (he doesn't like cats.)
c.) We outlawed pet rabbits in my state, and now only the outlaws have them. Think about that.

Posted by Dave at March 9, 2005 10:40 PM

The missing information here is the fact that the cats kill between 7.8 million and 219 million birds in Wisconsin alone. Cry to PETA with those facts.

Posted by Hannibal at March 9, 2005 11:42 PM

That is not the point at all. Do you really think these people are motivated by their love of/concern for birds? Hardly. They would probably like to shoot them too (those damn birds kill too many worms, you know). This is just an excuse for a bunch of wackos with deep-seated insecurities to run around blowing up small animals, pretending it is some kind of sport and they are the Great Hunter. It's pathetic and dangerous. If feral cats are a problem, and they might well be, there are all kinds of humane solutions to deal with the situation.

Posted by empire cookie at March 10, 2005 12:18 PM

Wow....that's messed up.....

Posted by CrzyDJM at March 10, 2005 02:34 PM

"The missing information here is the fact that the cats kill between 7.8 million and 219 million birds in Wisconsin alone. Cry to PETA with those facts."

Those aren't "facts". It's pure conjecture, i.e., guessing. Completely worthless numbers. Is that range large enough?...it might snow tonight, we're going to get between 1 inch and 2 feet. The vast, probably humongous, majority of kills by cats are of rodents. This bird thing has been hyped to the moon. I give it no credence.

Posted by L. Paul at March 10, 2005 04:37 PM

Leash them or loose them.

Posted by JoseyWales at March 14, 2005 11:43 AM

Also, no one has put the figure "7.8 million and 219 million birds" into context; how many birds are there "in Wisconsin alone"? A billion? 500 million? Twelve? And, don't songbirds only live about 5 years anyway? Many small predators are on the endangered species list - are cats fulfilling an open ecological niche? I'd like to know the percentage of the bird population that cats are killing than some random figure, and I'd like to see death by cat compared to other forms of death.

Not to mention the famous quote from Boswell's Life of Johnson -

This reminds me of the ludicrous account which he gave Mr. Langton, of the despicable state of a young Gentleman of good family. 'Sir, when I heard of him last, he was running about town shooting cats.' And then in a sort of kindly reverie, he bethought himself of his own favourite cat, and said, 'But Hodge shan't be shot; no, no, Hodge shall not be shot.'

http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Texts/BLJ/b1203.html

Posted by Nada at March 15, 2005 07:45 PM

It is the owners fault, that cats are overpopulating. They should have kept them inside and fixed them. I would hate to see people running around shooting cats and miss and hit people. These poor cats have to eat, and I would hate for a owned cat to escape outside and be shot cause it does not have a collar on.I have 5 cats myself that were rescues,It may even be traumatic for a child to see a cat shot and killed. These cats will eventually go down in numbers as they are being fixed. There are many other ways to deal with this, even putting them to sleep thru medication, instead of being shot and possibly not killed just injured.This problem took awhile to become bad, there is no resonable quick fix.

Posted by melissa wolf at March 17, 2005 05:31 PM

Ya know, there is nothing like giving a little man, a big ego by killing a little cat.Oh and that man who was proud to announce he was a firefighter....made himself sound really...well...I can not say but I am also in emergency services and around here we save lives, not blow them to kingdom come.

Posted by melissa wolf at March 17, 2005 05:44 PM

IF YOU HLLBILLIES TRIED THAT #@%$ IN OREGON......WELL,IT WOULDN'T BE PRETTY,WE LOVE ANIMALS,AND PEOPLE WHO TAKE ENJOYMENT FROM HURTING ANIMALS ARE INSECURE,DISTURBED INDIVIDUALS THAT NEED PSYCHOLOGICAL HELP OR JUST ELIMINATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by MANHUNTER at March 18, 2005 02:30 PM

I love native wildlife. I live in the middle of a state park. I’ve watched free-roaming cats eat the baby robins out of nests in my trees, the mother laid egg again the same thing happened. I watched the free-roaming cats eat the chipmunks and baby rabbits out of my yard. The cat’s poo and pee my flowerbeds into a stench pit. I can write for days on the destructiveness of free-roaming cats. Now, when free-roaming cats enter my space they are destroyed on the spot.

Leash them or loose them

Posted by JoseyWales at March 18, 2005 02:56 PM

HEY "JOSEY" DO YOU LIVE IN THE SOUTH? YOU ARE THE KIND OF GUY WHO WOULD SHOOT A WILD CAT BECAUSE IT WAS A "THREAT",MAYBE YOUR KINDS OF PROBLEMS LIE DEEP WITHIN,TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT YOUSELF,AND BE HONEST WITH YOU!!WHAT IS IT ABOUT YOU,IT'S NOT THE CATS I CAN TELL YOU THAT.

Posted by MANHUNTER at March 18, 2005 03:09 PM

Manhunter

Q-1 I live in the North East.
Q-2 Cats do not threaten me. My friends and neighbors have cats and I like their cats.
Q-3 I’m at peace with myself.
Q-4 I look just fine; at least my wife thinks so.

The reality of life is this.
This area I live in has a serious free-roaming cat problem, the humane society has been called many time to trap them (then they euthanasia them). I’ve seen the damage they do first hand. All the neighbors, cat owners (who’s cats have been attacked by free-roaming cats) and non-cat owners agree on one thing. The free-roaming cats must go. They are a danger to pets and native wildlife.

It’s about a lot of fewer cats, I’ll tell you that.

Leash them or loose them.

Posted by JoseyWales at March 18, 2005 04:14 PM

"JOSEY"
I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE IN TOUCH WITH NATURE,BUT THERE ARE BETTER WAYS OF TAKING CARE OF THE CAT "PROBLEMS" DON'T YOU AGREE THAT THERE IS ENOUGH ARBITRARY KILLING IN THIS WORLD TO SATISFY ALL THE APPETITES OUT THERE?? TAKE CARE AND REMEMBER THAT NATURE WILL BE FINE IF US HUMANS STOP DESTROYING EVERYTHING IN OUR PATHS,BE GOOD.

Posted by MANHUNTER at March 18, 2005 06:13 PM

Indeed there are better ways to take care of this problem. Many cities that have implemented and enforced a strict spay neuter policy in their community have seen a drastic reduction in the number of euthanized pets. This problem is caused by irresponsible pet ownership, and that is where the answer lies. All pet owners need to be held accountable for their pets. When they aren't, the tragedy is that the animals pay the price. I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Eleanor Rigby at March 19, 2005 01:53 AM

What? Don't we already have an open season on cats? Taste like chicken, really good on the grill.

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at March 19, 2005 11:31 AM

WOW......."RUGER" YOU MUST BE THE POSTER CHILD FOR NASCAR/WWE ENTHUSIASTS..DO YOU LIVE IN A TRAILER IN MOBILE??? THAT'S ALABAMA BY THE WAY.

Posted by MANHUNTER at March 19, 2005 11:36 AM

Nope, just having fun with the cat people.

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at March 19, 2005 12:16 PM

I’m not going to waste taxpayer money on a situation I can handle my self. Scott, my neighbor bagged a 24 ponder this month, it continuously came after his cats a night, spade or neuter will not fix this problem. Responsible pet owners will never happen. People can’t control themselves how are they going to control their animals. Right now there is a wild cat staking the frogs around my wife’s coy ponds, seen it Friday night, say your prayers for this one. Spade or neuter, it still has no right to come into my yard and kill the frogs.

Did you really eat them Ruger? The ones around here are foul, full of ticks, fleas and ripped up from fighting. Not to appetizing.

Leash them or loose them

Posted by JoseyWales at March 21, 2005 09:28 AM

Josey, you’ve got the right attitude. This should not be something up for discussion. Other nuisance animals are handled this way. I prefer to use the Rural Undesirable Game Eliminator Rifle or RUGER for short. You talk to your neighbors and let them know the consequences of not keeping their animals under leash. If they don’t, 22 calibers later you dig a little hole in the garden (they make good fertilizer too). Yeah the rough looking ones you need to pass on unless your spent all your money on NASCAR and WWE tickets or your trailer house needs new wheels.

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at March 21, 2005 05:05 PM

WOW..I JUST GOT A PICTURE IN MY HEAD OF THOSE TWO GUYS..YOU KNOW WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT,....CAN YOU SEE THOSE TWO IN A TRAILER WITH BEER CANS ON THE FLOOR,NO WOMEN AROUND OF COURSE,TALKING ABOUT KILLING THINGS?ROTTEN TEETH,NOT SHOWERED WITH THE "BIG RACE" ON TV.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by MANHUNTER at March 22, 2005 02:40 PM

Just think all you need is a can of tuna for bait.

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at March 22, 2005 09:39 PM

BE CAREFUL NOT TO PUT TUNA UNDER YOUR TRAILER....YOU NEVER KNOW WHO MIGHT SHOW UP.

Posted by MANHUNTER at March 23, 2005 12:19 PM

look people, the only Good cat is a dead cat.....yell at a dog, it cowers... yell at a cat, it flips you off!!

Posted by big daddy at March 30, 2005 06:42 PM

DON'T LOOK NOW BUT WE HAVE AN OBVIOUS REDNECK,COWARD...."BIG DADDY" YOU MAKE ALL THESE OTHER FOOLS LOOK LIKE SCHOLARS,WOW,I HOPE YOU HAVE NOT REPRODUCED,GOD HELP US,NO WONDER HALF THE WORLD WANTS US DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by MANHUNTER at March 31, 2005 11:14 AM

Manhater you seen to think that if you have an opion not following your thoughts you're a "Redneck". Broaden your vision a little, people other than "Rednecks" hate cats too. If only half the world wants us dead then we are doing 50% of something right. Don't they eat cat in other countrys. I have several cats, would that make me a rancher in some 3rd world county?

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at March 31, 2005 06:23 PM

BROADEN MY VISION??? YOU IDIOT,WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS SHOOTING THINGS JUST TO BE KILLING,BE A MAN AND STAND UP TO PEOPLE WHO CAN'T SEE WHAT THE HELL THEY'RE DOING,BUT OF COURSE YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT,IT'S EASIER TO HIDE BEHIND A COMPUTER.....IT'S EASY TO JUST KILL EVERYTHING,THEN YOU'RE NOT "BURDENED" BECAUSE LORD KNOWS TAKING TIME FROM YOU'RE OWN LITTLE WORLD AND DOING SOMETHING FOR SOMEBODY OR SOMETHING ELSE WOULD BE INSANE...TRY TO LIVE YOUR LIFE OUTSIDE YOUSELF FOR JUST A DAY AND SEE WHAT A DIFFERENCE YOU MAKE....OR NOT,I'M BETTING YOU COULDN'T THINK 5 FEET PAST YOURSELF.

Posted by MANHUNTER at April 4, 2005 12:13 PM

If we were not talking about Fluffy here this wouldn’t be an issue. If it were wild dogs and the suggestion was to shot them there would be little objection. It is sad the cat people didn’t take steps to deal with this issue and now it has come to this. Pets should not be allowed to roam. The unfortunate part of this is the animals always pay for the owner’s stupidity. I do donate my time, but not to the human society. Now there may an another area to donate time and efforts to, Feral Kat Kontrol.

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 4, 2005 04:24 PM

YOU'RE RIGHT RUGER IT DOES FALL BACK ON US,"OWNERS STUPIDITY", PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM,NO ARGUMENT THERE.

Posted by MANHUNTER at April 4, 2005 05:57 PM

GMAB.. people are the problem. I don't think I want someone who can't spell or use proper grammer to have a gun. This country scares me, what are we teaching our children?? If it gets in your way, shoot it. Its because of thinking like this that kids are going into schools and shooting people. If it makes you angry... blow it away. And Josey darlin' its "lose it" loose is not the word you are looking for. www.dictionary.com

As for killing the cats, some people dont collar their cats, they get a microchip. And if you shot my cat/dog/gerbil/whatever, you better BELIEVE I would be coming to your door and putting your a** in jail. And bragging about your neighbor "bagging a 24 pounder" that sounds like it was someone's cat and not only that... bragging about it?? Come on, how old are you, 12??

Posted by highjenks at April 6, 2005 12:17 PM

AMEN TO YOU "HIGHJENKS",BUT I WOULDN'T HAVE THEM ARRESTED UNTIL I BEAT THE S*** OUT OF THEM,YOU'RE RIGHT,ALL PEOPLE WANT TO DO IS KILL ANYTHING THAT IS IN THEIR WAY.....THESE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT KILLING CATS ARE VERY INSECURE,LITTLE PUNKS WHO PROBABLY WOULD BEAT ON KIDS AND WOMEN.I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ONE OF THEM FACE TO FACE!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by MANHUNTER at April 6, 2005 01:13 PM

boy it is great when educated people like Highjenk come along to make us feel miserable in our little lives. God how great it must be to be you. it's funny to see how quick even the supposed "educated" are to jump to violence against others. if you turn your animal out with out something to identify your animal as a pet who's fault is it if they get shot. the shooter or the owner? those who choose not to take responsiblity for thier actions would say the shooter. i don't know but my animals are not aware of thier actions, so i have to keep an eye out for them, to protect them. maybe educated people just naturely have animals that are self-aware. after all if the have microchips they are no doubt smarter than my dumb animals. Leash them or run the risk of losing them. Hope my spelling and grammer is good enough for you to understand the message.

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 8, 2005 09:53 PM

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM,IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH US....WE NEED TO THINK.......USE YOUR F****** BRAIN IDIOT,ANY INTELLIGENT HUMAN BEING WOULDN'T SHOOT A LITTLE CAT JUST BECAUSE HE COULD...VIOLENCE TO OTHERS?????SEE THAT'S THE POINT,PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELVES ONLY SEE YOUR LITTLE WORLD AND TO HELL WITH EVERYTHING ELSE,TYPICAL THOUGH,THAT'S GOOD OL AMERICAN THOUGHT PROCESS....ME ME ME

Posted by MANHUNTER at April 11, 2005 03:13 PM

There you go getting insulting again. i have not insulted you because your opinion differs from mine. Cat people are so aggressive. i have my opinion, you have yours, and cat people are only looking at "your" own fuzzy little world. Cats kill, that is what they do. if you keep it in the house, no problem, but in the wild they kill. nobody is talking about shooting your cat, they are talking about wild cats. if your concerned about this solution then the cat people should have done something about the problem they created years ago. yes it was a created problem, by careless cat owners. maybe another suitable alternative would be to trap them and drown them, or trap them and let the Humane Society kill them. Animal research could be another outlet for trapped cats. What about food export? Cat flavored dog food? Fishing bait? Starting to look like shooting is a good suggestion.

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 11, 2005 04:58 PM

SEE,THERE YOU GO AGAIN,ALL YOU CAN FOCUS ON IS KILLING THEM,CAN YOU THINK ON YOUR OWN?????TRY TO FOCUS ON SOMETHING ABOVE YOURSELF,DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHAT I MEAN BY THAT????CATS ARE PREDATORIAL,DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS???NOW,LET'S KILL EVERYTHING THAT IS PROBLEMATIC SHALL WE???SHOULD WE GO OUT AND SHOOT KIDS WHO SPRAY PAINT ON PEOPLES BUSINESSES...COME ON,USE YOUR BRAIN.

Posted by MANHUNTER at April 11, 2005 05:09 PM

i am so sorry but there are not a lot of uses for cats outside of a house pet. if you hook 20-30 of them up they still couldn't pull a plow like a horse. can't put them on a treadmill to generate electricity. they don't produce enough natural gas to be an alternative energy source, and they don't burn worth a shit. what is your ideas for a solution to the issue or are you one that complains and has no suggestions for resolution?

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 11, 2005 05:48 PM

need to get the book "Complete uses of a Dead Cat" by Simon Bond. it may help us find a solution to this issue.

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 11, 2005 05:59 PM

Bird feeders also double as cat feeders.

Cat Haters
Aim for the cat, dude! Aim for a cat! -- Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey
A cat will almost always blink when hit with a sledgehammer.
Benjamin Franklin produced electricity by rubbing cats backwards.
Curiosity didn't kill the cat. I got 'im with the mower
Dead cat brush - From 101 USES FOR A DEAD MICROPROCESSOR
How did you manage to get so much custard out of such a small cat? -- Blackadder IV
I always introduce my dates to my cat, Ralph. Then I mention that I neutered him myself.
I drove to the preview of this film with all the hopeful anticipation of someone about to lick the inside of a cat's litter box. -- Mr. Cranky
I love cats... they taste just like chicken.
I'm just saying it's easier to kill a cat than dispose of a car. -- John Dobbin
I'm not the slightest bit interested in smelling anything cats have to say, thanks very much. -- Rimmer, Red Dwarf
Jack Neafsey's Know-When-to-Quit Law: The more you run over a dead cat, the flatter it gets.
Men say they like cats but when women aren't watching men kick cats.
Natural High: petting a cat and listening to it purr. Natural Low: petting a cat and... (oh, never mind that's too gross).
PS: stinks of cat around here! Pew! -- Robert Harley
Style. Beauty. Grace. That's what matters. If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. -- Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies
The damned cats like pushing the reset button on my computer. -- Adam Rifkin
The spin cycle on the washing machine does not make earth worms dizzy. It will, however, make cats dizzy. And didja know that cats throw up twice their body weight when dizzy?
The trouble with a kitten is that When it grows up, it's always a cat -- Ogden Nash.
There are many ways to skin a cat, and I'm not here to pull out the guts and make guitar strings. -- Alan Heirich
There are more ways of killing a cat than choking it with cream.
There's more than one way to skin a cat: Krazy Glue and a toothbrush.
Took an hour to bury the cat. Damn thing kept moving.
Ways to skin a cat #27: Use an electric belt sander.
You look as happy as a man who thought a cat had done its business on his pie but then it turned out to be a really big blackberry. -- Blackadder III
You'd really spend about a hundred dollars for fake testicles for your cat? I'm not sure I'd spend that for fake testicles for myself. -- John Dobbin
Your cat's missing? Have you checked my bumper?

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 11, 2005 06:12 PM

I GET IT NOW,RUGER IS A CLOSET.....SHOULD I REVEAL YOUR SECRET???IT HAS TO DO WITH SMALL ANIMALS AND CHILDREN....DO I DARE SAY MORE????YOU NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL,BECAUSE IF YOU GET CAUGHT AND GO TO JAIL FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO....WELL,IT WOULDN'T BE PRETTY WHAT THE OTHER INMATES WILL DO TO YOU....HAHAHAHAHAHAH

Posted by MANHUNTER at April 11, 2005 06:18 PM

DONT EVEN BOTHER RESPONDING RUGER,YOU ARE A COWARD,KEEP HIDING BEHIND YOUR COMPUTER,YOU ARE JUST WHAT I EXPECTED....PROBABLY A CLOSET CRIMINAL,THE ONES THAT GET ON LINE AND SOLICIT YOUNG KIDS....GET LOST FREAK!!!!!!!

Posted by MANHUNTER at April 11, 2005 06:30 PM

nope, none of the above is even close. how did i know you wouldn't (couldn't) offer a solution. So people hide behind the issues by name calling rather than offering solutions. sad, so very sad

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 11, 2005 07:00 PM

NAME CALLING??? NO RUGER,ALL YOU CAN THINK OF IS KILLING...CAN YOU TAKE A FEW MOMENTS OF YOUR PRECIOUS TIME AND NOT TAKE THE QUICK AND EASY WAY OUT,OR WOULD THAT BE TOO MUCH TO ASK??YOU SEE,PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE SO SELF ABSORBED THAT ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THEIR LIVES IS JUST SOMETHING ELSE IN THEIR WAY....I'M VERY HOPEFUL THAT I NEVER WITNESS AN ACT LIKE THE ONE YOU WOULD ENJOY DOING...KILLING JUST TO BE KILLING...BECAUSE I WOULDN'T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT I MIGHT DO TO THAT "INNOCENT" HUMAN BEING!!!!

Posted by MANHUNTER at April 11, 2005 07:27 PM

now please read this very slowly. WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION TO THE ISSUE?? No insults, no dodging, what is your solution?

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 11, 2005 10:14 PM

Manhunter, have you ever heard the expression "the one who talks the loudest often has the least to say"? So far, you havnt realy said anything except that you hate america and that people are always the problem. And for someone who hates killing so much, why the name manhunter? do you fancy yourself natures equilizer? Your name contradicts your position, just like most of your arguement contradicts itself. Also,your lack of a constructive discussion tarnishes my opinion of cat lovers. All that we get out of you is an attack, while everyone else is offering a constructive approach to the protection of their civil liberties.
Also, people are not talking about killing pets here, they are offering a solution to the pest problem that no one else has taken any action against worth a damn. And shooting a pest is a humane way to thin its population. otherwise, their food supply would dwindle, and thousands of cats will starve to death. This is basic ecology, and this thinning is practiced all over the world. Neutering, while seeming initially human, will only mean that the cat will die a long slow death of disease, starvation, or injury, instead of a relativly quick dispatching.
So if you have something intelligent to say, please let me know, if not, then dont bother making everyone dumber by having to read your crap.

Posted by Jester at April 11, 2005 11:11 PM

WELL JESTER,MAYBE YOU SHOULD READ ALL OF THE COMMENTS BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH.....THERE,DID YOU READ EVERYTHING YET???I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS,THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT KILLING PETS YOU IDIOT,YOU,JUST LIKE THEM,WOULD PROBABLY TAKE ENJOYMENT OUT OF IT.BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS FACE TO FACE WOULD YOU BOY???HIDE BEHIND YOUR COMPUTER AND YOU'LL BE JUST FINE,AND I'M WELL AWARE THAT WE AS PEOPLE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM WE CREATED BUT JUST SHOOTING THEM IS NOT THE ANSWER...NEUTER,SPAY...KEEP THEM INDOORS IS.

Posted by MANHUNTER at April 12, 2005 10:42 AM

if anybodys "solution" is just to slaughter the cats then please don't comment,because we are sick of your "crap"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by egypt at April 12, 2005 10:50 AM

OK,HOW ABOUT TAKING THESE CATS TO FERIL CAT COALITIONS?? WHERE THEY CAN PLACE THEM WITH PEOPLE WHO WANT THEM ON THEIR FARMS I.E. RODENT CONTROL,WE HAVE SEVERAL OUT HERE,OR TAKE THEM TO SHELTERS WHERE THEY CAN BE ADOPTED BY "RESPONSIBLE" OWNERS?? I'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS,IT HELPS A LITTLE,BUT THE ULTIMATE RESPOSIBILITY LIES WITH THE PET OWNER,SOME ARE JUST IGNORENT AND NEED TO BE EDUCATED....

Posted by MANHUNTER at April 12, 2005 11:03 AM

I think you're all ridiculous (sorry, even you, Jester, even though you sound like the most intelligent person in this little discussion).

Manhunter: I support your position, but I wouldn't follow you if my life depended on it. You've just lowered yourself to the level of everyone who thinks the "solution" involves a gun. You do run off at the mouth too much. You're too excitable, therefore, you've lost any credibility. Bad for "our" side unfortunately.

Ruger1020: You're the type of person, along with the Clint Eastwood want-to-be, JoseyWales, who is always sure about things that are a matter of opinion. Sorry, I don't have time for people like you.

There is a solution - TNR - of course, it does involve time and effort. There are also other more humane solutions (note: proven solutions, not ideas or sugggestions) to keeping cats AND other wildlife out of gardens, backyards, etc. But, it might require thought, research and a little effort. A gun is faster and requires less effort. I'm sure you sound like you own plenty already. I won't even bother to explain these solutions as I'm sure you're really not interested.

What are your plans with your kill? Eat it, stuff it, mount it? Oh right, the 100 uses for a dead cat. Get a life! I'm really glad I don't know you.

Posted by N.L. Blanchard at April 12, 2005 11:40 AM

WE ALL AGREE TO DISAGREE??HOW ABOUT AS THE "ADVANCED" PEOPLE WE ARE THAT WE COLLECTIVELY COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT BENEFITS ALL,AS THE "INTELLIGENT" PEOPLE THAT WE ARE...I THINK WE COULD,DON'T YOU......BE GOOD TO OTHERS AND NATURE..YOU'LL BE BETTER FOR IT...BYE

Posted by MANHUNTER at April 12, 2005 11:54 AM

I Love to hunt and have for years but cats are not game. I sense a lack of pussy on your part has made you want to kill my little girls pet Try IT and see what happens.

Posted by kevin at April 12, 2005 03:18 PM

Why can't cats be licensed like dogs? And if an animal is a pet, that means YOU are responsible for it. YOU feed it, YOU care for it, YOU provide the litter box. Domesticated cats don't NEED to hunt. Cats are the only animal other than man that kills for sport. If you don't want your cat to be considered feral, keep it in the house all the time. Or, put it on a leash when you take it outside.

I'm all for this - we have feral cats in rural SE Minnesota, and they have inbred so much that the products are now freakish looking, sickly, and I've found many dead on my doorstep. I'd much rather kill them now than watch them suffer and keep breeding. C'mon people - get with it

Posted by AJ at April 12, 2005 04:24 PM

Finally some spirited conversation. Trapping spaying and returning to the wild. does this really solve the problem? Sure, the concept seems sound but you are still returning a killer to the environment. You can trap and find homes, for some most likely not anywhere near the amount of homes for the number of wild cats. some local trappers would catch cats in traps and take to the humane society (you know the people there to help animals) and they were told not to bring in anymore. Where are all the homes if the humane societies are putting animals to sleep? Shooting is not a popular solution neither is being put to sleep by the humane society. what seems to concerns people is the fact that someone will be shooting cats. if we trap them and the humane society sucks the air from thier lungs cool but don't let that redneck freak with his gun shoot them. Dispite my posting i am not a kill monger, but i am also not above shooting a wild cat that comes around the house. i have cats, wild cats bring in diseases the kill the cats i have. Believe me the death they suffer would be far more painfull than a shot to the head. Removal is the best option, the means of removal is the question

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 12, 2005 05:03 PM

cats do get licensed....and they don't kill for sport,no animal does...well,except for the idiots on two legs,animals kill instictively for food..or if threatened,they don't reason like we do,they can't.

Posted by egypt at April 12, 2005 05:28 PM

ooops...instinctively.

Posted by egypt at April 12, 2005 05:30 PM

these people are out of their mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It is bad enough we have killed off so many wild animal species, how in the world could they legalize this....sICKOOOOOOOOOOOOO>

Posted by jean duble at April 12, 2005 05:41 PM

I am contacting the Ellen Degeneres Show................she is a cat lover....

Posted by jean duble at April 12, 2005 05:43 PM

Egypt, can you honestly say cats don't kill for sport? Don't let emotion cloud your thought processes. I would guess you have cats, if so do you allow them to roam outside? Do you have feral cats where you live? Do you think if we were to trap them you could find homes for them? What do you feel should be done with the ones that can not be tamed. release them to the wild again. If there was a law such as this for dogs i wouldn't worry about mine as I don't let them roam or be outside without watching. Should this not be the same for cat owners? What would you suggest for someone who has a cat under their bird feeder? Scare the cat away, you know it will be back. What if the offending cat is scruffy and obviosly not a pet, what would be wrong with dispatching the cat? I don't know anyone who would want to shoot someones pet. I am sure they are out there and those people are miserable in their little lives. But what we are discussing is wild cats, just like wild rabbits, wild deer, or squirrels. I have had dogs dropped by my house local law enforcement didn't come trap them, spay them, and return them to the field. No they shot them. Why should it be different if it was a cat? Not looking for an fight just need to understand your perspective.

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 12, 2005 05:50 PM

it's in our nature,look what we do to each other,do you think animals and the planets resources have a chance???????all we do is consume................

Posted by egypt at April 12, 2005 05:53 PM

ruger,you just said a mouthful "they shot them" you see ruger where we're at as a people?all we want to do is kill things that get in our way,that's why someday the only wild animals will be captive animals,the big ones that "threaten" our "space" that is.we are to selfish.............................

Posted by egypt at April 12, 2005 06:01 PM

Egypt, you didn't answer one question, I can't understand your side of the issue if this is all you can offer. We are talking about cats here not man's inhumanity to man. That is a discussion for another day.

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 12, 2005 06:07 PM

CAT'S HAVE INSTINCTS,THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT RUGER,YOU SEEM PRETTY SMART,SO YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT....THEY ARE PREDATORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I WORK WITH A GROUP THAT HAS A WILD CAT SANTUARY I.E COUGARS,BOBCATS,LYNX ETC.THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BIG CATS AND YOUR PET CAT IS HIS SIZE....IT'S AMAZING HOW SIMILAR THEY ARE,ASK THE EGYPTIANS ABOUT CATS....

Posted by MANHUNTER at April 12, 2005 06:09 PM

Ok, we are making progress. Now if one or several of your big cats got out and were breeding with the numbers that feral cats breed what would we do. They are preditors, we know that, would it be acceptable if the were killing all the local dogs? What would we do? try to relocate, yes if too many or a threat to other species would we not them move to move aggressive solutions such as shooting them. Not right but a logical move, no?

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 12, 2005 06:19 PM

sure it is,it's all about destructiveness...think about it.look at the big picture,not just what is in our backyards.

Posted by egypt at April 12, 2005 06:20 PM

I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT RUGER,YES,THE BIG CATS WOULD HAVE TO BE DESTROYED IF THEY GOT OUT,BIG CATS,ALTHOUGH INDIGENOUS TO THE US,WOULD BE A DIRECT THREAT TO PEOPLE,SO UNFORTUNATELY WE WOULD HAVE TO KILL THEM,WELL,THE AUTHORITIES WOULD.

Posted by MANHUNTER at April 12, 2005 06:28 PM

Ok big picture. Domestic cats are not a native species. By man, introducing them we have upset the balance of nature(whatever that means). What is the acceptable lost to nature for our mistake? Do we lose rabbits as a species or would it be ok to lose chipmunks, or how about those damm squirrels. At what point do we deal with the increasing feral cat population, now, or wait until something is gone for good?

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 12, 2005 06:29 PM

"...bagged a 24 pounder?" I'd bet that was someone's pet. That's vile.

Posted by Susannah at April 12, 2005 07:15 PM

not to sanction shooting someones pet but if it had been on a leash or tied in the yard. would it have happened? town where i work has a cat leash law same as the dogs but you see them (cats) running all over (with collars). Is it not unreasonable to expect cat owners to control their animal's movement?

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 12, 2005 08:07 PM

FYI PEOPLE
MADISON – More than 13,000 people attended the 2005 Wisconsin Spring Fish and Wildlife Rules Hearings and Conservation Congress county meetings that were held in each county of the state Monday, April 11. In all, participants had 74 statewide or local rule proposals to consider.

The most discussion centered on an advisory question from the Wisconsin Conservation Congress seeking the public’s level of support for defining free roaming feral domestic cats as an unprotected species. The question was passed in a statewide vote of 6,830 in favor and 5,201 opposed to the idea.

“This proposal generated a great deal of discussion everywhere,” said DNR Deputy Secretary, Bill Smith. “The thing I’m most proud of is the way folks handled themselves. People generally were polite and respectful of each other regardless of their position on this question. This is the way the process is supposed to work and I want to thank everyone for their participation.”

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 12, 2005 09:08 PM

HEY CAN I SHOOT ALL THE DAMM DOGS THAT OUR NEIGHBORS LET RUN AROUND WHEN THEY COME SHIT IN MY YARD AND GET IN MY GARBAGE. THE REASON I DONT OWN A DOG IS BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO PICK UP SHIT. I TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS AND THEY STILL LET THEM STUPID THINGS IN MY YARD SO SEEING WE CAN KILL CATS HELL IF A DOG IS LOOSE WITHOUT A COLLAR WE MIGHT AS WELL SHOOT THEM.HOW STUPID CAN YOU PEOPLE GET THE CATS KEEP RODENTS AWAY DO YOU WANT THE RODENTS DIGGING AROUND YOUR HOUSE? WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS GET A LIFE!!!

Posted by KATIE GRANT at April 12, 2005 11:50 PM

BY THE WAY DOGS KILL SMALL RABBITS AND SQUIRRELS AND BIRDS TOO I'VE SEEN THEM DO IT MANY TIMES AND THEY DONT EVEN DO IT TO EAT THEM. EVERYTHING HAS TO SURVIVE THE CATS CAN'T HELP IT THAT PEOPLE ARE STUPID AND DON'T TAKE CARE OF THEM.

Posted by KATIE GRANT at April 12, 2005 11:58 PM

AS FOR THE CAT LEASH LAWS A CAT CAN CHOKE ITSELF TO DEATH WHEN PUT ON A LEASH, IT HAPPENED TO A FRIEND OF MINE. THEY GO NUTS AND FLIP AROUND WHEN PUT ON A LEASH AND IF THEY ARE NEAR A TREE THEY CAN HANG THEMSELVES. ALSO PEOPLE WHO ARE CAT HATERS WILL SHOOT THEM EVEN IF THEY HAVE A COLLAR ON THEY WILL JUST TAKE IT OFF AND SAY IT WASNT THERE. MY CATS IN THIER LIFETIME KILLED VERY FEW BIRDS THEY MOSTLY KILLED MICE AND CHIPMUNKS, WHO LIKES THOSE THINGS?? IS A CONTROL ISSUE THAT MEN ONLY LIKE THINGS THAT OBEY THEM. I RATHER HAVE INDEPENDANCE I WONT TAKE COMMANDS FROM ANY COMMON MAN THATS NOT LAW. HOW SAD

Posted by J54501 at April 13, 2005 12:57 AM

FYI-Here is a letter I sent the DNR and the Governor.

Imagine a 5-year-old little girl named Mary who gets a new cat for her birthday. She love her, she is orange, Mary 's favorite color, has long whiskers and Mary names her Socks as she has white "socks" on her feet. She sleeps with Socks and plays with her, hugs and kisses her; she has a new best friend. Ok Mary is only five; occasionally she pulls Socks tail to get her to come to her. One day after doing this to the annoyance of the cat, Socks scoots out the door. WOW big world out side, still a bit annoyed from the tail pulling Socks quickly darts across the lawn into the near-by woods to hide.

Cats are curious, and Socks is no exception she starts wondering...is it a mouse I smells... going deeper into the woods Socks hears the crunching of brush, something big is coming her way. She like most cats is easily scared and having never been out in the wild, slinks down into a protective crouch.

Soon Socks sees a person carrying a long kind of a stick. This is not someone she knows, this is not Mary's Daddy who gives her those yummy little cat treats. This scares her too. She hisses. Then she growls. The person seeing this realizes immediately that this unfriendly, unapproachable cat must be feral, and by the new law in WI he has the right to hunt it, after all he has the small game license that is required, and he hasn't seem a rabbit all day. He lifts the gun. Upon seeing this stick thing get raised Socks hisses more. Yup feral cat, no doubt about it, he takes aim and shoots, killing Sock with one shot to the head.

Now this hunter realizes he can't eat the cat, not like that delicious rabbit stew his wife makes, but he also know that just leaving it out here to rot could causes disease and that wouldn't be good either. So he figures the best thing to do is take the damn feral cat with him and bury it when he gets home. He picks up the cat blood running down its body and heads out of the woods. It's quicker to get to the truck by just walking down the edge of the property line, on the edge of this lawn, then to go all the way back through the woods, and Jesus he is carrying a dead feral cat.

By this time Mary is in a frenzy she has run all over the lawn, checked the garage, under the swing set, in the garden in the rows of corn, in the flower bed and she just can not find Socks. She feels really bad she pulled Socks tail she loves her so much and just wanted to give Socks a hug. She promises god she will never ever pull Socks’s tail again if she can just find her. Where in the world could her best friend be?

Mary hears a sound coming for the woods, and looks up to see one of the hunters that are always out there looking for rabbits, coming out. He has something and Mary figures another poor bunny, will be someone's dinner. She know all about this because her Daddy explained it to her. They "shoot the rabbits for food" Daddy said. So even though it is sad, they are not wasting it.

But what does this hunter have it isn't white like the other bunnies or brown.... It is orange and red..... And it has socks on its feet. To Mary’s HORROR the hunter is carrying out Socks limp body by the tail, with a trail of blood left behind. Mary is shocked and then starts to scream. "SOCKS"... the hunter surprise to see this little girl screaming and running towards him stops wondering if she needs help. She is yelling something about socks...

Mary gets to the hunter and grabs at the "feral cat" pulling it out of the surprised hunters hands, crying uncontrollably she holds the bloody cat rocking back and forth saying over and over Socks, Socks.

"No on 62"


Sazzy Calhoun
feel free to pass this on

Posted by Sazzy at April 13, 2005 02:34 AM

i am a bird lover and a cat lover. but, i find it hard to believe the people that want to shoot cats are really concerned about the welfare of birds. it wasnt to long ago they were fighting for the right to shoot the mourning doves.
ive been seeing way too many chickodees lately, maybe we should shoot them too, lots of meat on those little bodies.
and maybe we should shoot dogs that bark too much and annoy their neighbors. and crap in their yards.
maybe we should shoot the homeless people too, they are an inconvenience too.
maybe we should shoot kids that go out with their bb guns and shoot birds out of the trees.
you cant tell me that people dont have anything to do with the loss of wild birds. the endless progress and building. loss of woods and wild life habitat.
and we talk about other countries being barbaric. seems everytime we have a problem in this country with animals. some idiot says , hey lets shoot em!!! thatll fix it!!!

Posted by cmb at April 13, 2005 10:25 AM

IT'S ONLY IN THAT PART OF THE COUNTRY WHERE THEY WANT TO JUST KILL,I'M WILLING TO BET YOU HILLBILLIES WOULD LOVE TO SHOOT BLACKS AND GAYS TOO,HOW ABOUT PUTTING THE GUN IN YOUR OWN MOUTHS AND PULLING THE TRIGGER YOU TOOTHLESS TRASH....I THINK I'LL MOVE UP THERE JUST TO GET A CHANCE TO CATCH ONE OF YOU SHOOTING A CAT SO I CAN BURY YOU..................

Posted by OREGON at April 13, 2005 10:30 AM

TNR does work. There is documented proof of it. Cats trapped through this program are sterilized, eliminating more breeding. The fixed cat very often is no longer an aggressive cat who fights (spreading diseases). It's a fact that FIV is mainly spread through unfixed toms fighting and biting. Rarely is disease spread any other way. The cats caught through TNR are vaccinated (rabies, distemper). Homes and/or shelters are found for as many as possible. Those that are replaced to the wild are now manageable, will NOT reproduce and are at that point cared for by those who have invested the time in trapping. (I know that won't be people like you, Ruger.) The cats are also tagged by ear tipping for identification so that it is visually evident that the cat is a part of this program. Cats that are cared for, i.e. fed, maintained, etc. have no need to hunt and do not hunt. After a period of time, there is no more rampant breeding every few months, destruction, or annoyance (howling from breeding and fighting). This is all fact.

Killing cats only makes room for MORE cats to come into their territory and take their place. That may be fine for those who are looking forward to the sport of hunting cats. I find it reprehensible when there are effective and better alternatives.

There is a problem with the shelters themselves who do not see this as a viable solution. It keeps the number of shelter animals to a minimum, it cuts down on $$ for euthanasia of the animals, and it's healthier and more humane all the way around.

Oh, and the argument made about shooting causing less suffering than being put down at a shelter? They don't use gas anymore. At least not in the more civilized shelters so I'm assuming the person who offered that up is merely uninformed. They're put down quietly and with little discomfort. But when you shoot them, Please do kill them outright. It's also considered suffering if you merely injure a cat. And please make sure the teenagers and kids who'll gladly jump on this bandwagon to make this a fun weekend sport learn to kill outright instead of merely injuring.

Perhaps you forget, or never realized, that there is no such thing as a wild native cat in this country unless you're speaking of bigger cats like a puma, cougar, canadian lynx. The "wild" or more correctly, feral cats are really offspring of cats who were once pets. Other "wild" cats are more accurately labelled "Strays." They WERE themselves once pets that were either discarded by morons or unfortunatley got away from their owners.

Anyway, congratulations Wisconsinites! You've done a great thing in making a sport of killing cats. Because that's what it will become to too many people - a sport, an amusement. Enjoy shooting the pets. I'm sure there will be a good supply to kill since you're not really solving the problem. You're just continuing to provide yourselves with target practice. I think it's all very sad.

Posted by NL Blanchard at April 13, 2005 01:41 PM

congrats ruger,sounds as if your wish will be granted,do you live in wis.??i'll bet yor excited to just go kill something,make sure you squeeze the trigger not pull hard,because you might miss and your head might not blow clean off,because we would'nt want you to suffer...

Posted by egypt at April 13, 2005 04:08 PM

I happen to like cats as pets and birds in nature but...

All this just reveils how many people have trouble distinguishing between cute animals and people. Who is worse the birders or the cat people?


Cats don't belong in the environment? Sheesh! where do you think cats were before "cavemen" domesticed them? Hey birders if the wild cats kill off some bird species then NATURE and GOD meant it to happen that way. It isn't like coyotes and other animals don't prey on wild cats. Extinction is part of the ecology. If you need "special" bird memories forever -- take digital pictures.

Cat lovers firearm hunting will not be legal in or near town. Keep your pet inside. A hunting season might actually prohibit trapping completely or by season or within city limit. However IMHO if your neighbor has broken down to spending money or time on cat traps -- then you and your pet have been sufficient REPEAT nuisance that a one way trip to the animal shelter is warranted. I'd be in favor of having the owner prohibited from owning pets or neutered with the pet or both.

As far attempts to link serial killers to hunting cats... I'd bet police records will show more crazy animal-lovers who shoot neighbors over "pets rights" than pet torturers become serial killers. And while avid hunters maybe a bit disturbing to the rest of us there is a difference from animal torturers.

You "science" folk involved in this argument need to get out of the business if you can't quit substituting unbalanced emotions for facts. This is known as a "insufficient reason to back either side" situtation.

Posted by amazed at April 13, 2005 05:21 PM

Emotionally I favor the trap and release program. But economically it is BS to claim it is cheaper. Neutering alone is more expensive in terms of supplies alone. Then there are shots and the greater time etc. Still if you know one of those neighborhood cats it is nice to see them around. On the positive side feral cats help control rodent populations.


Unlike many other species cats don't curtail their breeding when there are too many cats in the area. So the excess cats will die one way or another. Which is worse starving or hunting?


I do think hunting cats is less sad than seeing roadkill cats every quarter of mile of road or starving rail-thin cats all over. And it is starvation conditions that lower immune cats systems that helps a wide variety of diseases spread more than just unneutered toms fighting. Additionally neutering a fighter personality cat merely reduces the behavior, it seldom eliminates it...though the mating season flare ups will usually go away.


Posted by amazed at April 13, 2005 05:47 PM

Feral cats die in lots of nasty ways: starvation, roadkill, canines, larger felines like the wildcat, etc.

The REAL issue here is that hunters would raise awareness of that unpleasantness to cat lovers. This enters the area of social taboo rather than science fact or environmental law.

A similar problem often arises over Bambi-Killers (deer hunters) though legal precendent makes animal lovers acknowledge that as a hopeless case. And few people actually get close enough to
form a personal pet relationship with a deer.

Cat lovers have good reason to fear that certain hunters will be obnoxious or inconsiderate about displaying their kills.

Emotionally knowing someone hunts your favorite animal is similar to people discussing family skeltons-in-the-closet with strangers or parading dead people around downtown (though hopefully not too similar). The difference being that society has rules that discourage those "dead people" and family insults even when it is not necessarily literally illegal in all circumstances.

Posted by amazed at April 13, 2005 06:06 PM

Manhunter: take your prozac, stroke your pet cat and/or llama, and reflect on your hypocracy.

Reasonable population control, whether it be by licensed hunters or the humane society, is more justified than your threats about kicking the s__t out of people. Yes man is the problem, but now that we've messed things up it's up to us to maintain balance where we can.

Posted by osprey at April 13, 2005 06:07 PM

YES OSPREY,WE DO CREATE THESE PROBLEMS,BUT DON'T COME AT ME WITH YOUR "HYPROCACY" THEORIES,THE HYPOCRITES HERE ARE THESE "ALL AMERICANS" WHO THINK ITS OK TO KILL ANYTHING THAT MOVES JUST BECAUSE ITS IN THEIR WAY....ITS JUST LIKE "US",YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TOO FAR IN HISTORY...US HISTORY,TO SEE THAT.HYPOCRACY???YOU BETTER FIND A DICTIONARY AND LOOK THAT UP....GET LOST.....

Posted by MANHUNTER at April 13, 2005 06:35 PM

Manhunter, I took your advice and looked up the definition of hipocrisy. I have to say, I didn't picture you with so much facial hair.

Direct quotes from you:
"...I THINK I'LL MOVE UP THERE JUST TO GET A CHANCE TO CATCH ONE OF YOU SHOOTING A CAT SO I CAN BURY YOU.................."

"...'ALL AMERICANS' WHO THINK ITS OK TO KILL ANYTHING THAT MOVES JUST BECAUSE ITS IN THEIR WAY...."

So, you're saying it's ok to kill another human being just because they kill something, but then you criticize Americans who think it's ok to kill anything in their way? Kettle, black... Sounds like the cathunters are in your way. Sounds to me like you're just dyin' to kill somebody. You should move to Texas or FL and apply for the position of "flipswitcher." There are plenty of humans out there committing atrocities against other humans who could use an early ticket out, and you sound like you have the grapes to help them out.

Posted by osprey at April 13, 2005 07:21 PM

OK OSPREY YOU GOT ME,I DID ENJOY YOUR LAST COMMENT...BRAVO.BUT,EVEN YOU HAVE TO AGREE THAT SHOOTING CATS IS QUITE COWARDLY?????????????

Posted by MANHUNTER at April 13, 2005 07:50 PM

People, People, People, please let us be realistic here. I highly doubt that your neighbors will be hiding behind a tree waiting for your cat to sneek outside. People will not be stalking cats in the streets and alleys of your cities. Last time I checked it was still illegal to discharge a firearm within city limits. So all you TNR people can feel free to handle the cat populations in the cities and towns. I think that should TNR be aggressively practiced that the vets would be overloaded spaying the animals. Where the may be happy to do an occasional animal when faced with the potential of hundreds of animals I could see the program being abandoned. Then I would think the animals would be destroyed as an alternative. Please don't say the cats are being hunted for sport, that was not the intent of the proposition. That is as rediculous as saying the cat people created this problem on purpose. As for rural areas trapping may not be as reasonable of an alternative. As repulsive as shooting may seem to cat lovers it has more merit than TNR where I live.

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 13, 2005 10:07 PM

This is for "Amazed" - Where exactly do you get your facts? Did you know that just making blanket statements doesn't make it true? You're another one of those who's always sure about things that are a matter of opinion and usually wrong about things you claim to be fact.

"I'd bet police records will show more crazy animal-lovers who shoot neighbors over "pets rights" than pet torturers become serial killers."
Once again, just because you "bet" that animal-lovers kill more than pet torturers become serial killers doesn't make it true. And when exactly did the conservation turn to serial killers? Oh and by the way, there have been studies to state that many adult criminals tortured animals and other children when THEY were children themselve. That's usually a common learning place for future behavior. I'm not just "betting" on it either. I could actually dig up data to support that statement. Can you find data to support the things you "bet"?

Secondly, it's NOT BS that TNR is cheaper. Again, just because YOU claim it's BS, does not mean that the statement that TNR is cheaper in the long run is incorrect. There is documented proof to prove that it is. Just because YOU decide it's not does not just automatically make you correct. It's absolutely infantile to try to have discussions with people like you. I doubt you would even bother to take the time to research YOUR arguments.

Posted by Nblanchard at April 14, 2005 10:55 AM

This is something advocated for by losser red- necks with too much free time on their hands. In place of shooting cats, they out to finish HS, or get a GED, get real job, brush and floss their teeth, and learn to speak clearly.

I thought most of these cheese-head-gun-hoo red necks were sent to Iraq, to fight in bush's war, shit I did not realize they were still in WI.

Posted by mesmart at April 14, 2005 12:18 PM

lets see, you are 30, can't read or write, live at home, have two teeth, and your dad is married to his sister, yes, your mom that is. what do you do for fun? You come up with a dumb ass idea to match your intellect, you want to sheet cats.

Posted by mesmart at April 14, 2005 12:23 PM

I lived on a farm in Minnesota a few years ago. The fall I moved in there were 3 cats that I was told "just hung around" and did not have to be fead. Well the next spring I discovered those 3 cats multiplied into 30. Assuming half of them were female, having 10 kittens each, 3 cats would have become 180 cats within 9 months. Although unpleasant, it was necessary to intervine if there was to be any small wildlife left in the area.

Posted by Concerned Sportsman at April 14, 2005 03:27 PM

ALTHOUGH UNPLEASANT,IT WAS NECESSARY TO INTERVINE SO OIL CONTROL WAS IN "THE RIGHT HANDS".......YES "SPORTSMAN" WE NEED TO KEEP CONTROL OR THINGS DO GET OUT OF HAND!!

Posted by OILSPILL at April 14, 2005 03:52 PM

Boy the tree huggers and ecofreaks are thick today by the looks of this discussion. Just why do cat people automatically think they are smarter than everone else. It is the same elitist attutide that has caused this issue. It's only my little cat, it goes outside and only catches mice, BS. Unless you have worked out some good rates with the Vets, TNR is expensive. And then why returned them to where they can kill more. I catch more mice in snap traps than my retarded cats ever could. I still have not heard anyone say why cats can't be leashed. Only one person who said they hang themselves. So sad, Kitty suicide.

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 14, 2005 04:37 PM

WELL RUGER,AFTER READING ALL YOUR COMMENTS,YOU ARE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'VE BEEN PORTRAYED AS,YOUR COMMENTS HAVE BITS AND PIECES OF NORTHERN TEXAS WHITE TRASH IN THEM....TAKE CARE AND GOD BLESS.

Posted by SEATTLE at April 14, 2005 06:36 PM

Never been to Texas. At to the color of my skin it that is not the issue at hand. What is at issue how the only answer to the shooting cat issue is to insult people with opinions other than yours. I'm not a cat person, I have them I don't like them. What I would like to see is some reasonable solutions put forth and not just insults. So try to contribute something more that insult we know you can do that. If you don't like our solution, whats your's? Please something more than trap, neuter, and release to kill.

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 14, 2005 07:01 PM

if you don't like cats why have them....probably because your wife?it seems you really do want to have some court tell you its ok to shoot cats...that makes it ok right?you have nooooooooo solutions,none that an intelligent human being would agree to atleast....or do you?lets hear it,or should we read that book you suggested???remember the book????idiot.

Posted by TREEHUGER at April 14, 2005 07:33 PM

What? Do you really think cats have not been shot before? You need to remember, we are poor uneducated rednecks and even we know that this is a joke. People in the rural areas dispatched cats for years, this would not change. With this proposition at least the people would have to get a hunting license to shot them. I have cat because I have children, you know the cute little kitty thing. I think trapping is good, neutralizing not neutering, and refuse not releasing. If this offends you I am sorry but I don't feel they belong in the wild and free roaming. I will be taking steps to keep our own cats in check. This proposition has made me think about how before we got the cats we had all kinds of ground nesting birds such as meadowlarks and killdeer. Not anymore, it may be after the fact but I will be taking steps to correct my mistake. Now we need others to step up, but you need to be realistic, you can't save them all.

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 14, 2005 08:25 PM

Are any of you even from Wisconsin? Have you bothered to get the facts? Or did you just hear that people will be allowed to hunt cats and instantly you thought of your neighbor hunting the family pet? Hunting is illegal within city limits in Wisconsin; people will not be shooting the neighbors pets. This is about controlling the wild cat population not retribution for a cat killing a bird or pooping in your yard. Having an excessive amount of stray cats on a farm can be a major hassle and horrible as the cats outbreed their food supply and die from starvation. Farmers have always had to "take care" of the overpopulation themselves. Sometimes in ways that are less humane than shooting. People would also be required to get a license before they could legally shoot feral cats. This would not stop people from illegally shooting animals, but if I heard a gun shot in my neighborhood I would report it as I am sure most other people would. This is only making legal what goes on anyway. Additionally this is not the first state that has such a law, according to the article on cnn.com South Dakota and Minnesota also have laws permitting the hunting of feral cats.
Such immature comments about all those from Wisconsin being "rednecks" and "hicks" only shows your lack of intelligence and maturity. Show respect when trying to get your point across to others, you will get farther. They may not agree with you but they are more likely to listen to your view point.

Posted by queenkaye at April 15, 2005 11:43 AM

SOUTH DAKOTA???....MINNESOTA????....WHAT A SUPRISE,I WONDER "WHO" ELSE MIGHT BE IN THEIR "SIGHTS" UP THERE????????

Posted by NYCITY at April 15, 2005 01:33 PM

Great job Queenkaye. This proposition has be twisted every which way to create sentiment against it. They don't have enough to kill now they want to kill cats. They will be lurking in the bushes to kill my pet for sport. Rednecks, all they want to do is kill. All BS that surrounded this proposition. None of which was the intent. However now our beloved governor has said he would not support this issue. What could have been a step forward, a controlled means to deal with feral cats is most likely dead. Now most cat people are cheering, we won, we won. What did you win? Most like none of you will get off your asses and do anything about the problem. And guess what, cats are not protected in Wisconsin, they will still be shot as they were in the past. What we have lost is the oppertunity to work together to solve the issue.

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 15, 2005 05:01 PM

ahhh poor ruger......your a joke

Posted by chicago at April 15, 2005 06:24 PM

does this mean we can't read rugers comments anymore??? wait,i can watch king of the hill.

Posted by egypt at April 15, 2005 06:28 PM

Egypt, oh yeah, your the one that doesn't think cats kill for fun, must just be practicing then. Say check out this website during the commercials on King of the Hill. And no, it's not my website. www.ooze.com/ooze13/cats.html

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 15, 2005 07:07 PM

hey ruger.........yawn.
you need to educate yourself on animal behavior,because people are laughing at you,obviously you think animals can reason.....i hope you can figure it out....but don't feel bad,you're not the only one who will live his life out in darkness.........see you on the other side.....out

Posted by egypt at April 15, 2005 07:21 PM

IF ANIMALS COULD REASON WE WOULD NOT BE HERE CHATTING.....TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN????? ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVE GUNS.

Posted by CHICAGO at April 15, 2005 07:25 PM

Sorry kids you'll just have to learn that the world is not a perfect... shoot got to go... there goes one now.

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 15, 2005 07:37 PM

sorry folks,ruger had to go,he saw a black man drive by his house and had to call his friend hank so they can get together and see what can be done about the "problem" that just popped up...white trash coward....hahahahahahahahaha

Posted by egypt at April 15, 2005 07:48 PM

leave poor ruger alone,god knows his life must be miserable enough.....

Posted by seattle at April 15, 2005 08:01 PM

Whoa kids this is the cat killer forum. Your KKK meeting is on a different website. And, by the way I like my life, wouldn't trade it.

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 15, 2005 08:35 PM

I WOULD LIKE YOUR LIFE ALSO,I WISH THAT I DIDN'T HAVE A CONSCIENCE [KON'SHENS]N.ONE'S MORAL OF RIGHT AND WRONG....THEN I WOULDN'T LOSE SO MUCH SLEEP WORRYING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING TO ANIMALS AND EACH OTHER.....

Posted by MANHUNTER at April 16, 2005 11:28 AM

Don' worry about me I sleep well, you should too. I am willing to help take care of problem in my area. As I am sure you will take care of yours. Our means just differ. I do draw the line at knowinly shooting someone's pet.

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 16, 2005 12:10 PM

THATS GOOD TO HEAR

Posted by MANHUNTER at April 16, 2005 12:33 PM

How many of you were from Wisconsin? Maybe your from Minnesota where they allow cat shooting.

Posted by Ruger 10/22 at April 18, 2005 05:20 PM

why do u want 2 kil kats i men i have 1 that ran away and u want 2 shoot it how mean

Posted by kaylie at May 9, 2005 02:28 PM

Hey hey - manhunter .. Im from the south and I think it's one sick fuck that would kill an animal for no reason. Were not like that here. There are stupid a$$hats like this guy everywhere.

Posted by Ringo at August 28, 2005 03:54 PM

Alright people, I would just like to say that I see two things happening here. Allow me to explain...number 1: The people on here who oppose the FERAL cat season seem to be more aggressive. I've noticed that a few use all caps signifying shouting or yelling and they also insult hunters. number 2: The people opposing the season tend to make false assumptions about hunters...calling them idiots, rednecks, cowards etc...

I would also like to say that I am a hunter and that I would be willing to bet that almost everyone on here who has called a hunter a "Dumbfuck" "Dumbass" "hillbilly" "hick" etc.. lives in a city where cats are kept inside houses and use a litter box. however, what these people do not realize is that the feral cat season (meaning a certain amount of time when shooting a cat who has no owner is allowed)was intended to reduce the feral cat population in rural areas where few people own domesticated cats and most cats run wild.

This last little bit here is going to be about hunting. I enjoy hunting every fall with my dad (yes, I am a kid) for small game like squirrels and for deer. The few weekends that he gets off from work and we actually get to go out hunting are the best weekends all year. We drive out to some local public land where the leaves have changed into beautifull oranges, reds, and yellows. We walk quietly through the woods taking in all that nature has to offer, the sights and smells are amazing. We sit down by trees and are kept company by the birds and other animals that see no harm in us. And when finally a squirrel presents itself to us we make a clean kill, never is more than one shot needed and never does the squirrel take another step. I would like to add here that we do not accomplish a clean kill with large calliber rifles such as .300 winchesters or 30-06 but instead we use well placed .22 shots. In now way what-so-ever is this "blowing it up". The squirrel always dies intact.

In conclusion, I support the Feral Cat season under one condition, that every human being who intends to kill a cat does so with respect for the animal and the laws that govern how we hunt. I think that hunters already know this and that it will not be a problem.

Sorry if I have mentioned something that has already been covered and I realize that I will most likely be critized for this post but critize away, I have no more to say.

Posted by Wisconsinhunter at October 10, 2005 08:02 PM
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