Comments: AWASH

Sarah - you are right. The problem is people inflate things like pictures from Abu Graib to be TORTURE when in reality is was humiliation. So if you compare humiliation and call it torture - people get a warped view of what real torture is. It downplays the horrors of real torture.

Posted by Kathleen A at May 29, 2005 03:20 PM

My thanks to you for your service as I recall past and current military who have and are protecting our nation.

Posted by Pat in NC at May 29, 2005 05:28 PM

Excellent points, Sarah. Thanks!

And please tell Mrs. Sims we are thinking of her, and her husband who gave all.

Posted by Beth at May 29, 2005 07:40 PM

I frankly do not care if what we did is not as bad as it could be. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER THAN THAT, PERIOD, END OF DISCUSSION. It is a real damned short step from sanctioning the "hi-jinks", as some conservative twits called it, to sanctioning the level of abuse that Saddam inflicted on his people. I for one think our chain-of-command has failed us as a people, when it comes to the topic of abuse. Allow me to clarify: by chain of command I refer not to the "grunts" in the field, but rather the civilian portion, that is where the responsibility ultimately lies.

Posted by Bubba Bo Bob Brain at May 29, 2005 11:37 PM

What the hell are you talking about Bubba? The army had already started an investigation of abu graib before the picture appeared in the papers. The few involved have been or are facing punishment for violating orders(read the UCMJ).We are better because we don't tolerate such behavior. ( I also wonder about one of the individuals involve being a PA prison guard in "real" life ).Was it torture-no, was it mis treatment of prisoners- yes. Was it a policy to mistreat prisoners- barring evidence to contrary- no. Was it poor leadership of subordinate personnel by superiors( local command)-yes.Has the civilian administration of the military taken steps to punish and clarify that this is not how we treat prisoners.yes.

Posted by thomas D at June 1, 2005 02:25 AM

Thomas D., wake up and smell the bullshit. I don't know how old you are, but this looks like a repeat of My Lai to me. Lt. Calley was the "cut-out" man, that is the guy whom if you take him out you can go no further in an investigation. The "cut-out" man in this fiasco was obviously Gen. Karpinski. So the American public will never know the whole truth now, which I think we are entitled to. You probably still believe the bullshit the government and the Army first tried to run by us regarding the death of Pat Tillman don't you.

Posted by Bubba Bo Bob Brain at June 1, 2005 03:01 AM

The cut-out man (woman) is a Brigadier-General? Are you nuts? Well, obviously, yes.

Unfortunately, there has been worse than Abu Ghraib; for example the two prisoners who died in custody in Bagram in Afghanistan. Again, though, the military have investigated and brought charges against those involved. Bad things will happen because there are some bad people in the military just as there are elswhere, but we do not look the other way.

Posted by Pixy Misa at June 1, 2005 09:25 AM